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16th Mar 2002, 14:31
I hear that the Government are to put forward a bill to make it unlawful to exclude women from clubs. This will not only cover Golf clubs, but Gentlemen's clubs such as the Carlton, Garrick etc. Apart from interfering in our social lives, what sort of woman wants to be a member of an all male club and ruin a time honoured tradition? Also, it will give the wives of members no comfort at all when we say we are off to the club for the night. . .Where is there left to hide from the fairer sex?

16th Mar 2002, 14:42
Will it include flying clubs? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

Send Clowns
16th Mar 2002, 15:54
Actually plenty of women do. In fact the Reform Club (still, I think, the only exclusive West End gentlemen's club to admit women as full members) elected their first female chairman (note she was not a "chair" or any other piece of furniture) about ten years ago when I was working there. It is remarkably silly, especially for the Oxford and Cambridge which recently voted to allow women but not with sufficient turnout. However it is absurd to legislate as to who must be admitted to a private club, and a complete waste of the government's time. They've already wasted too much time on the things that work already or are none of their business, while the impotant things get left.. . . . <small>[ 16 March 2002, 10:55: Message edited by: Send Clowns ]</small>

tony draper
16th Mar 2002, 16:22
Mark my words, they'll be wanting the vote next. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 16 March 2002, 11:23: Message edited by: tony draper ]</small>

16th Mar 2002, 17:59
It will be worse than that, Mr D. Before you know it, they will want new curtains, pastel decor, and their own washroom.

DX Wombat
16th Mar 2002, 18:28
Quite frankly I feel that those who want this are shooting themselves in the foot. They won't be able to set up places solely reserved for themselves where they can go for a bit of peace and quiet. What are they going to do with the WI and Townswomen's Guilds? I know that isn't quite the same thing but what on earth is wrong with letting the lads have their own clubs? It sounds like a "What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own" attitude. It has absolutely nothing to do with equal rights or sexual discrimination. I think we all need to keep the option of being able to have our own space.

tony draper
16th Mar 2002, 18:42
In the spirit of equality, one plans to demand entry into the next Anne Summers party in the neigbourhood. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 16 March 2002, 13:43: Message edited by: tony draper ]</small>

pax anglia
16th Mar 2002, 18:49
To be brutally frank,I cannot see why women want to join clubs that seem,for the most part,to be inhabited by a bunch of mysoginistic,arrogant old bores.. .Retires to consult Yellow Pages for suppliers of "Tin Hats" and sundry other items of protective clothing.Bye....

16th Mar 2002, 20:55
DXW, agreed.. .. .There was a time when would-be undergraduates applying to Oxford Colleges could apply to either a mixed or single-sex college.. .. .No choice any longer. You have to go to a mixed college.. .. .I remember the headline from "Cherwell" when Oriel decided to go co-res. It was pinned on the main door. It said simply "ORIEL FALLS".. .. .Why should we be forced always to mix with people with no choice in the company? A friend of mine is married, with 3 daughters of varying ages (7-15). Even the dog is female. He loves them all dearly, but every now and then he enjoys a bit of all-male company. Seems he's not allowed it.

Bird Strike
16th Mar 2002, 21:09
Private clubs (and private anything for that matter) should be allowed to exercise their free will - by only allowing who they want to allow, be it men, women, dogs, kids, madmen (or do I have to say 'mad persons' now, blo*dy PC brigade?) anything they like! That's the whole purpose of being 'private' or 'members only' place, isn't it?. .. .A bit off topic, but does anyone know a shopping centre that bans children?. .I'd love to go shopping without having kids screaming everywhere. Time for a 'private' shopping centre, where only over 25s are allowed? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

16th Mar 2002, 21:31
Send Clowns,. .. .There's one other which is the RAC Club in Pall Mall. ermmm yes I know the RAC Club is the Royal Automobile Club and that anyone who is a member is entitled to go along there. However within the club building on Pall Mall (just down the road from the reform club) there is a Men's smoking room and dining area into which only women who work there are allowed into this exclusive area. But for the women who are members there is the "Ladies' Lounge". Men are allowed into the Ladies Lounge, but only if they are with their spouse, girlfriend or mistress and that they are also a member. Although the RAC Club is still known primarily as a Gentlemen's Club

Flying Lawyer
17th Mar 2002, 00:27
pax anglia. .It depends upon the club.. .It takes 6-7 years to become a member of the Garrick, and there are about 1000 waiting to have their applications considered.. .So, either there are lots of would-be "mysoginistic, arrogant old bores" wanting to enjoy the company of lots of other "mysoginistic, arrogant old bores", or your stereotyping is just a little out of date. The last friend I helped get in was Mark Knopfler - he'd be amused by your description! . .By the way, "for the most part" pilots don't have handle-bar moustaches and Brylcream-slicked hair these days. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .. .I favour keeping it as a men's club, not because I don't enjoy the company of women but because, in a social setting, men are inclined to change personality when there are women around. Members make the club and, at present, conversation is (almost without exception) fascinating. Put an attractive woman into the equation and many men tend instanty to become prats trying to outsmoothe each other. It's not the woman's fault, it's ours. . .The Garrick is great fun and, as the Americans say, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' . .. .Aren't we just so lucky to live in a country which has so few real problems to resolve that the government has time on its hands to worry about what happens in private clubs. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 16 March 2002, 20:20: Message edited by: Flying Lawyer ]</small>

17th Mar 2002, 01:19
I am a member of 2 service clubs in London, and both now admit women as full members. Until recently one of them only admitted women as Associate Members who did not have a vote at the AGM and paid smaller subscriptions as a consequence. This has now changed and women are full members with voting rights, and as such the law requires that the Club cannot prevent women from any public area of the Club. One bar is still " By Tradition for male members and their (male) guests only". It isn't about wishing to repress women, but to allow men to sit and drink a bit more than is polite, hold conversations you would not wish to hold in front of a Lady, and relax without having to feel you need to watch your P's and Q's. Many of the Lady members of the Club expect to be treated as Ladies and would not wish to overhear the goings on in the members bar.. .. .Some Clubs (such as the Sloane Club) are geared towards women. Others such as the Hurlingham (which has a 10 year waiting list) caters for Ladies and Gentlemen in equal measure. . .. .The key is finding, and joining a Club which is right for you. Pax if you don't like the idea of a forces Club, or a Club with a men only bar, then don't apply to join, and equaly don't criticise those of us who do wish to belong to such an Establishment.. .. .I think Groucho Marx hit the nail on the head when he said he wouldn't wish to be a member of any club which would have him as a member.

17th Mar 2002, 02:54
PA, As a mysoginistic arrogant old bore can't see why you pretty young things would want to join our clubs either. Much as we like you, and think that your talk of kittens and knitting patterns is very sweet, we find much more stimulating subjects such as the gold standard and the impending crisis in the Middle East to be more challenging to our more advanced and futher evolved intellects. It's good to see that there is at least one of you who knows her limits! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .And further more who does Prime President Prat Blair think he is. Just another example of New Labour pandering to the vote winning issues rather than anything that , heaven forfend, be GOOD for the Nation.

17th Mar 2002, 03:10
Firestorm, . .I thought that you would be discussing the merits of a V twin versus an in line four. Or perhaps the use of silicon in tyres for grip versus wear rates. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Tartan Gannet
17th Mar 2002, 03:41
There is THE ultimate Gentlemens' Club and even Phoney Tony Blair wont interfere with THAT. I think you know the "club" to which I refer.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

17th Mar 2002, 04:45
I find the proposition that we all start trying to 'outsmooth' each other as soon as an attractive woman comes into the room slightly absurd. No doubt some do, but that really is their problem if they want to behave like school boys.. .There is a degree of commonality and fellowship with members of one's own sex and it can be enjoyed best without the other being there. . .What next? Maybe men should lobby to use women's lavatories...the ultimate women's private club!

17th Mar 2002, 05:29
As this is JB I am reminded of the story of a London Club and its accommodation policy. Like most clubs its original intent had been to provide (relatively) cheap overnight accomodation in London, and although it did not accept women members, married couples were allowed. It was then suggested that single members be permitted to be accompanied, this eventually was accepted provided that the partner was the wife of another member.

17th Mar 2002, 05:43
Oh dear, Trixie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> . .Welcome to JetBlast. But, if you're irritated by 'slightly absurd' (ie tongue-in-cheek, provocative) propositions, you're going to find JetBlast more than a little tiresome, old boy. (I'm told the lower orders refer to them as 'wind-ups.) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Such propositions are a constituent part of our 'degree of commonality and fellowship' - or having a laugh with friends as I call it when I'm not trying to be pompous. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . .. .I see you give your occupation as a "Professional". How smart! Professional what? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 00:55: Message edited by: virgin ]</small>

Bailed Out
17th Mar 2002, 05:43
Can't wait for the Ladies to enter my "Gentlemens Club" It's the one with the little match stick men on the door. Look forward to the return match <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Bailed Out
17th Mar 2002, 05:48
Or better still....Equality.....When can I enter the Little match stick men doing the splits room without suffering repression <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

17th Mar 2002, 11:36
My first aviation job (as a flying instructor) had a communal toilet. No-one seemed to notice, or care (either staff or customers) as it was spacious and clean. Think about it - just like the one at home, you don't have male and female dunnies at home, right?. .. .After a couple of years they renovated, and split the communal toilet into a male and female cubical, tiny things to fit into the same space they were, very dissapointing.

17th Mar 2002, 14:16
Virgin,. .. .If I did not see the 'tongue in cheek' element of 'Jet Blast' in FL post, I have certainly been initiated now. I am afraid though, that I still fail to see how anyone other than the author of that post could be so sure that he did not mean what he said. . .. .Thanks for the welcome, anyway!. .. .No doubt the bill itself will get held up by the Lords, which will buy us a few more years!

Flying Lawyer
17th Mar 2002, 14:17
Virgin. .I think Atrixo must be a member of the Athaneum. They're much more serious and intellectual than we are at the Garrick. . .. .kbf1. .Thanks for the tip about the Sloane Club. I live in Chelsea, must pop in soon.. .. .Atrixo. .nota bene 'tongue in cheek' post. . .id est I don't really intend to pop in to the Sloane Club to meet the women.. .There again .......... the more I think about it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . .. .djk. .The RAC? 'Send Clowns' was referring to 'exclusive' London clubs.. .Are you sure subscribers to the RAC can use the Club? I know that if you're in the AA, you can go to along to AA, but that's different.. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 10:01: Message edited by: Flying Lawyer ]</small>

17th Mar 2002, 15:23
Reddo,. .Does an in-line 4 have merits?

17th Mar 2002, 15:24
Well FL, until the Garrick admits women, it only remains for me to wish you the best of 'luck', (tongue in cheek of course) in your quest down at the Sloane club!. .Pax vobiscum!

17th Mar 2002, 15:27
No! Buzzy things. Yuck! They don't sound good!

17th Mar 2002, 16:34
Reds are my eyes playing tricks on me here or are you actually casting aspersions on things that go buzzzzz in the night? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . .. .As for male clubs, can anyone explain to me WHY this proposal has been put forth? . .. .I mean, whatever you Brits in here seem to think, your government CAN'T be made up of idiots only?. .Surely some rational, logical reason for this must exist in the hallowed halls?. .Please, anyone???

17th Mar 2002, 19:21
Flaps, trust me, the difference between an in line four buzz and the lusty vibes of a V-twin is chalk and cheese. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Send Clowns
17th Mar 2002, 19:38
Flaps, I'm afraid that though they are not actually idiots are government is made up of worse : people who will do and say anything for a good headline in the tabloid press and on the BBC. They think this will be popular with the 'liberals' (read illiberal, interfering pseudo-intellectuals) in our media establishment.

17th Mar 2002, 22:18
How disappointing, I thought that this thread would be about stip clubs. At least that's my interpretation of a Gentleman's Club.. .. .In my experience British ones are a complete rip off. Best one I've been to is Crazy Horse Too in Las Vegas. Worst one was in Virginia, the girls weren't even allowed to take their tops off! But even that one had a modest cover charge and the beer was the same price as a local bar.. .. .In line four anyday, unless the V twin has a Desmo.

17th Mar 2002, 23:10
Mate, of course my V twin has a desmo <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .He's on the boat and will be with me soon! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

17th Mar 2002, 23:58
How often do you clean your teeth, Flaps? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

18th Mar 2002, 03:05
FL...by "Ladies" club (The Sloane) read "Dowager Countesses" in their 90's. Trust me, for totty you want the Hurlingham (middle aged high income trophy wives who like energetic young play-things).

Send Clowns
18th Mar 2002, 06:09
ECAM - you're going to the wrong clubs then!! Try a little place called Bentleys in Southend. Ended up there by accident (genuinely!) on my brother's stag do. Excellent if you want that sort of thing ... which ... of course ... we ... didn't at all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="redface.gif" />

18th Mar 2002, 06:36
I get it now. They (women) want in on everthing that is restricted to men only but still want to be able to have their own male "free" areas, ie: at university's etc.. .. .So not only do they want our clubs they then say they need somewhere to go afterwards where there aren't any men because they've had enough of us <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .******ed if i can understand it all really!

18th Mar 2002, 06:59
Please let us Gents have our own sacred places. You ladies may have fallen for the bs we perpetuate but we need somewhere where we can call our own other than the garden shed. Contrary to what you may think Gents (I use that expression liberaly) have a totaly different persona outside of female company.. .We'll all go stark raving mad if we can't find a place to be ourselves. Come on you have your ladies nights etc.. .Or perhaps that's what you want then secretly you will take over the world. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .PS have you tried Cheetas, North side of Detroit bridge, Windsor.

18th Mar 2002, 10:48
Bother!! My application to join the Women's Institute was black-balled by the chairwoman who claimed that I didn't have the balls for it. Pater got into St Ethelred's easily enough, but the other nuns were too old to notice the stubble. I suppose I'll just have to settle for the Girl Guides now.. .. .I seem to miss out on all the fun, there weren't any girls waving underwear out of the window at passers by when I was a member of Henderson-Groves - surely the ultimate Gentlemens Club! Who would have dreamed that it would one day boast mixed sex accommodation. But I suppose it makes Bull-night a bit easier when there are all those women around to look after the domestic stuff. And I always hated ironing. . .. .As to the Garrick, well everyone knows its full of poofters.. .. .**********************************. .Through difficulties to the cinema. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 05:50: Message edited by: Blacksheep ]</small>