Helicopters on video

[RDRickster]

I came across this today, and it is the absolute BEST video I have ever seen of Schweitzer aerobatic maneuvers. Great examples of some of the maneuvers you just can't (shouldn't) do in a 2-bladed system. Totally awesome pilot skills (don't try this at home)...

:cool: :ok: :ok: :ok: :cool:

http://libra.technology.users.btopenworld.com/DRKJ2002.WMV

(make sure you have Windows Media Player installed to view movie)

[Jcooper]

If I ever get terminal cancer I'll give it a go in the robbie :)

[Aesir]

woow, excellent stuff.. and all with a white shirt and tie on :ok:

[flyingadventure]

thanks for the post ...great bit of film...:ok: :ok:

[[email protected]]

I have control...not bad for your first go at hovering Bloggs, now lets try and smooth down some of those control inputs shall we? Follow me through.......

[Practice Auto 3,2,1]

Hummmmm....

Would love to see the video but all I'm getting is lots of funky wavey patterns and the sound (I think from the video).

Any idea's anyone :confused:

Oh, am using the WMP that comes with XP and I've tried right click and saving target as but still no joy.........

Confused of London :uhoh:

[Triple Matched TQ]

Awesome.

Normally Helo aerobatics are like w@"*ing - "great to take part in, but crap to watch", however I take my hat off to this man.

[RDRickster]

PA321,

First, you should try an update your computer. At a minimum, you should load XP Service Pack 1a, any updates for Media Player, and any updates for your video card. Go to...

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

Click "Scan for Updates" and select the three things that I listed above. Do not select the others right now, but you should go back and download them later. If you are still having problems, then you probably have an older computer that was recently upgraded to XP. As a result, the hardware compression may not be capable of "keeping up." Try slowing down your hardware compression...

1) Go to CONTROL PANEL

2) Double-click DISPLAY

3) Click "Settings" tab of "Display Properties" dialogue box

4) Click "Advanced"

5) Click "Troubleshoot" tab of "<name of video card> Properties" dialogue box

6) Move the arrow from right to left (closer to "None")

Move the arrow one level at a time and try the video until the flicker stops. If this doesn't work, take your PC to your local computer geek and have them take a look.

R2

[Practice Auto 3,2,1]

Firstly,

RDRickster, thanks alot, following your lead I downloaded an update for WMP and the video now plays as it should!

Secondly,

What a superb display of helicopter flying by Mr Kenyon, must try and get down to Shoreham next time he's doing a display and see it for myself. :ok:


Un-confused of London :D

[Flying Lawyer]

Rick

The pilot, Dennis Kenyon, is one of the best helicopter display pilots in the UK. He's an ex-RAF Squadron Leader, and has been displaying for years. I'll introduce you when you come over - maybe get you a flight if you're up for it! :)

Tudor

[rotaryman]

Some very talented flying!

Just can't make my mind up ifs its Skill or just plain stupidity!!!

[Nigel Osborn]

Trouble is I don't think Denis knows how to fly straight and level.:ok:

[RDRickster]

PA321,

Your welcome. Don't forget about going back for some of the other updates. Most (not all) are important for the health and performance of your PC.

FL,

Sounds good, but I think I'll have to take extra dramamine for that flight! I'll be across the pond in March (Africa), so I'd love to spend some time in the U.K. (April or May).

Dennis seems like an impressive chap... any other videos out there?

[Wunper]

rotaryman


It's skill with a capital S not stupidity,

believe me, I have been watching him since the early 70s and making an Enstrom(his more usual mount until recently) dance like a dressage thoroughbred must require skill by the truckload!:O

Wunper

[rotaryman]

Thanks for your comment WUNPER!

But as the saying goes!!

THERE ARE OLD PILOTS AND THEN THERE ARE BOLD PILOTS.

BUT THERE AINT NO OLD AND BOLD PILOTS.

just because someone has been doing these stunts for years does not make it right,

I have seem many execellent air displays in my years of flying and the Guy in the H300 is very good, i'm not knocking the fact that he has skill, I just wonder how he perfected the routine with out killing himself.

Like i said i havent made up my mind if its Talent or Stupidity !!

:ok:

[Wunper]

Rotaryman

I have no wish to sound cute but what category would you place

Bob Hoover in?

Old?

Bold?

Or maybe a mix of the two?;)


Wunper

:ok:

[rotaryman]

Sorry old chap!

Silly me, i thought we were discussing HELICOPTERS!!!

Reminds me of that young chap in Newzeland, Thats how they speak LOL..

anyway i believe he was the youngest guy to obtain a CPLH in that country, he was well known for his aerobatic showmanship..

He also used to do loops and rolls etc in a H500..

Then oneday while flying he bought the farm!!
sad really

as they say its all good fun till someone loses an eye!!:ok:

[Wunper]

Rotaryman

I could'nt agree with you more.

Cyber pissing contests are not my bag , I'd rather leave those to the heavyweights such as Lu..;)

The point I was trying to make, evidently rather badly, by making a reference to fixed wing Bob Hoover is that there are some exceptions to every rule.

That said the No Old + Bold pilots rule is probably the most watertight one of the lot!

The reason I posted in the first place is that I am an unreserved fan of Denis Kenyon and his flying skills, he has been doing it for years, and if ever there is a case of "do not try this at home folks" attempting to emulate him is the one.

Wunper , out :ok:

[Old Man Rotor]

Nice fun......sometimes I miss the freedom.

But on a less serious note...there is nothing "Aerobatic" in this flight sequence....after all the RFM for the H300 [yes I am a traditionalist] prohibits any Aerobatic Maneuvers.

It’s just a chap having a heap of fun in a nice machine.

[High Nr]

Interesting.

A chap having fun?? Indeed.

But what a landing. Then a scrape of the skids to try and make it better, then settle for a position short of the pad. Close but not quite there.

But that will do, no one will notice.

Thats a Wrap Wrap.

[RDRickster]

Old Man Rotor, perhaps you are correct. However, if those maneuvers were ever performed in the U.S., it would definately be considered aerobatic. Pretty much anything that has a turn greater than 60 degrees fits that category according to the FAA.

High Nr, either you are joking around or you must be one of the hardest people on earth to please! :}

[CyclicRick]

I was wondering if there are any official helicopter aerobatic training schools?
The fixed wing bods have loads of them all over the place.
Would be interesting to know where it is and with what type they use.
I've done an offset loop in a Gazelle (NOT ME but in with our Sqn QHI at the time, no names just in case!!) which was pretty exhilarating to say the least.

[Marc Tower]

Nick,

When you and Ray F. were working on the helo air-to-air manual, Ray had the Scouts (58's) doing a nifty 180 from low level.

As I remember, zip along the tree-tops at speed, pitch up, start pulling power, roll 90 degrees (or as close to it as pucker-factor allows), keep the power high to keep things positive and the next thing you know, you're going the other way!

Lot's of fun but you sure had to keep track of your teammates if you started with another scout or in a pink team.

As close to aerobatics in a semi-rigid as I ever want to be!;)

[Heliport]

The two aerobatic threads are now merged.

H.

[Heliport]

We occasionally have links posted to interesting helicopter videos. I thought it might be worth collecting as many as possible on one thread.

Ill kick off with a few.

The first is a big file which takes some time to download even on broadband, but it's an interesting video.
First test flight of the Comanche (http://kwpilot.intavsys.com/Helo_Fixed%20Wing%20Videos/Helo%20Videos/Comanche%20Promo.MPG)

I'm told everyone survived this CH46 carrier-landing (http://kwpilot.intavsys.com/Helo_Fixed%20Wing%20Videos/Helo%20Videos/Ch46%20Carrier%20Crash.mpg)

I know the crew survived this mishap .... Will we get through there? (http://kwpilot.intavsys.com/Helo_Fixed%20Wing%20Videos/Helo%20Videos/Apache%20Tree%20Strike.avi )


Please add links to any other interesting videos you find.

Heliport

[gnz]

Have a look at this NH 90' demo (http://anthonyjhicks.com/ajh/media.nsf/go!OpenAgent&protocol=ftp&id=F9EB676C38361C09CA256CEC000B8158)

[LowhoursUK]

Not sure if this is the same CH46 carrier-landing but according to this report four people died

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semperficlub/message/14

:(

[RDRickster]

H269B Crash, 1987, Student Pilot (http://www.chatel-ski.com/helocrash.wmv)

Corresponding NTSB Report (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X30727&key=1)

I have about a dozen of these, but they are on my hard disk. I'll have to upload them to a site somewhere and post the links.

[Heliport]

LowhoursUK

I suspect it may be the same CH46 carrier-landing.

=============


This may arise in the future.


Is it inappropriate to link to videos where people have been killed?
What do members think?

If you have any strong views either way, please e-mail me or Pedalstop so we can assess the general feeling of members.

NB: E-mail - please don't post views on this thread.

Heliport

[[email protected]]

RD, call me old fashioned but I thought you were supposed to give the student some lessons before you sent him off on first solo!!!!!!

Heliport - if other deaths can be avoided by watching and learning from crash videos then I think they are worth their weight in gold.

[nulian]

I agree with that - few sights have been more sobering to me than the video of the low-rotor RPM stall shown at the Robinson safety course.

[Time Out]

Is it only me, or do some of the links above not work? I can't get any of Heliport's to work, and LowhoursUK's link only leads to a members' page with a story but no video.

To see a video rescue on a news site, try this link (http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/2427646/detail.html)
I hope that one keeps working!!

[Aser]

Maybe a stupid question...
but is it possible to buy/find the videos from the Robinson factory course?

[Tickle]

A high-res clip of Panther spinning about and BO-105 doing some impressive fast and low flying: http://airwing.uplink.com.au/downloads/heli_promo1.wmv

Here's a bunch of videos, some relating to Victorian police and EMS operations:

Police N3 Dauphin hovering: http://airwing.uplink.com.au/downloads/pvg_hovering.mpg

C1 and N3 Dauphines flying together: http://airwing.uplink.com.au/downloads/air_492_with_air_493.mpg

N3 Dauphin climbing out: http://airwing.uplink.com.au/downloads/PVG_ascending2.mpg

412 taking off and flying over: http://airwing.uplink.com.au/downloads/hems_3_takeoff_flyover.mpg

[BlenderPilot]

I guess most of you have seen this, having been filmed in England, it left me speechless when I saw it. He apparently back flips the machine once. (Dennis Kenyon, Shoreham Arpt.)

Just beware its a large file (20MB), but its worth every second of the wait.

Download to Disk link
HERE (http://libra.technology.users.btopenworld.com/DRKJ2002.WMV)

[Heliport]

Carlos

This video was posted by RDR in the 'Helicopter Aerobatics' thread a few weeks ago. We'll leave the link here as part of our collection of videos. I mention it only so those who downloaded it last time know it's the same video.

Heliport

[Time Out]

This (http://www.helicopterservice.com.au/photos/z_heli_crash.mpeg) is a short clip of a prang.

I hope it hasn't been posted above, but I still can't make some of those links work, so I can't be sure. Let me know if this one is a duplication and I'll remove it.

Thanks to John Eacott for hosting it.

[Dave_Jackson]

The following site, which may not have been mentioned before, has a collection of helicopter videos.

The Video Vault Archive (http://www.helisite.be/list_link.php?cat=9)

[jerry712731]

The following is a link to a Stunning Display by Dennis Kenyon.
As a former freestyle world champion he makes it look so NORMAL
Enjoy



Already posted by RDRickster. Go to Awesome video (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1084719#post1084719)

Heliport

[GroundGirl]

Dennis' displays are second to none in my opinion. Having been lucky enough to work closely with him at Shoreham airport, it was always a treat for everyone to see him on the airfield practising his routine. Heres hopingto see him in action again soon.

GG

[RobboRider]

Any of you computer knowledgable types have a suggestion about this problem?

I downloaded the file showing Denis Kenyon's awesome Hughes 300 display. I works fine on the computer on which I downloaded it. I copied the file onto a CD for another pilot and when we tried it on a laptop it runs the windows media player program with the sound but no picture (just the default pattern that plays with audio cds.) At the bottom it says "search codec.server"

Have tried the help files etc but its mostly "greek to me".
It seems to me it needs some other file or something to run. Which file? Any help?


RR

[jerry712731]

Windows will try and search for the relevant codec from the internet. So the fix will be to get on the internet with the laptop and it should find the file. I cannot say if this works for old version of windows or media player

I know it runs happilly with Windows XP, Media Player 9 and the correct codec.

As a word of warning, some PCs may not play the video smoothly due to the processing / processor required.

There are 3 versions of this file on the web from a 2.5meg file right up to a 120meg version. The 20Meg file is the one most people have been viewing.

[wish2bflying]

Best thing to do is make sure the Windows Media Player and DirectX are updated on the notebook.

Use the Windows Update service at http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ to make sure everything on the computer is up to date, specifically these two items.

Also make sure the video drivers are up to date - let me know if you need more help than that and I'll fill out the instructions a bit more.

[paulo]

Over in perrivate flying we have a little thread going (similar in spirit to your "round the world" pics), cept ours is for vids.

Shameless self promotion of course (what me? started the thread?) but having just watched some damn good heli footage on there how's about our rotary friends did something similar? Stick up some of your fan assisted fun.

Hey, after all, it's only when your contraptions are flying that they are actually cool. Other than that, they are not cool. They are not cool. I'm repeating this to myself. And my bank manager... ;)

[rotorcraig]

We have got a thread it's here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111098) :D

(Can we make it Sticky?)

RC

[BlenderPilot]

As I understand, this happened a few days ago, in the original video you can hear a couple of very loud bangs before the helicopter crashes. The 4 on board were seriously hurt, as the helicopter rolled over and its passenger compartment was completly torn off.

There was a bunch of kids nearby waiting for the Santa on board the helicopter.

Note: I will only host this for a few days due to bandwith restrictions, sorry.

The file is only 404KB (0.4MB) shouldn't take to long to download, you will need Quicktime to view it.

Use the "download to disk" feature, with the right button of your mouse while clicking
HERE (http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/GazelleCrash.mov)

[DynamicallyUnstable]

What the hell happened there?:(

[BlenderPilot]

I have no idea but it seems the pilot set it down in a BIG hurry!

[Hughesy]

Far out! From what I gathered from the video, first impressions gave me a thought it mightve been retreating blade stall. Just with a sudden pitch up like that I thought maybe a sudden loss of lift at rear off disk, and then after the initial recovery, the nose spun counter clockwise before he went down, power failure maybe?
What way do the blades turn on a gazelle?
Just interested thats all.

[CRAN]

www.helisite.be

Has a lots of interesting videos we might wish to look at.

CRAN

[[email protected]]

Rather looks like Santa got his beard/presents/reindeer caught in the controls - how on earth did he get it back out from between the buildings?

Good site Cran, top videos.

[3top]

Hi everyone,

to me it looks like the pilot got caught low and fast! Looks like he tried an emergency quickstop and something went wrong with it behind the building and therefore he wanted to get down in a hurry.
Any news on this one?

Question: Anyone knows about a guy (and hopefully a video!!) who did/does a show with a R-22 and a ultralight.
The ultra flying straight at him and he with the R-22 backwards and with smoke.

Part of the show is/was a full touchdown auto backwards! That's what I would like to get a video from!

I remember reading about this some time ago, I think in connection with EAA-Oskosh. Supposedly the fellow had about 14000 hours of which about 10000 fumigating in a R-22.


3top
:cool:

[Rich Lee]

Are you talking about Jim Cheetham?

[RobboRider]

Was this guy with a display team in the US? I remember seeing a video of the airshow display involving the backward autos - but not the ultralight. They had a web-site and did airshows around the US. The team had a couple of R22s and a Hughes 300 in the pics on their web-site.


Sadly one of the pilots was killed in an unrelated accident a year or so ago. Was instructing in an R22 and the machine had an in-flight fire or something like that and both he and student perished. I don't know if the team continued or disbanded.

[3top]

Hi Rich!

Maybe it was Jim Cheetham. I just saw a collection of some videos of airshows where was an editor and flys a couple of routins with the show copters (2 R22 plus 1 R44 camaraship).
However the helicopter parts on the video are rather lame....

Anyone has a video of the rearward full touch down auto business?


3top
:D

[IHL]

Cran : Interesting web site.

The video" Autorotations can be dangerous". I don't think that the accident was a botched autorotation.

I believe that its a Canadian SeaKing settling with power or maybe even VRS.

[Dave_Jackson]

1st hover flight of the X-50A Dragonfly (http://www.boeing.com/phantom/crw.html)

[twistair]

Just a brief note to disturb some low-budget rotorheads: I've put some videofiles of 3-seat gyroplane flying. Take a look at http://twistairclub.narod.ru/rotorstab.htm to see what could be done for 15% of a Schweizer price :)

[Thomas coupling]

Heath Robinson, it seems is alive and kicking, albeit in a disused locker room in Siberia:suspect:

[twistair]

The site is 50 km near Moscow :)

Gyro's test-pilot is actually Russian Robbie's dealer

[McSkull]

Looks like a Death-trap!!

[twistair]

I've added more sunny video to the same webpage - with Hunter on skids. Should now look like Odin's chariot :)

BTW, there is one more videofile with gyro flying these places - in summer as well and showing more tough flying over Russian churches. It can be seen at http://twistairclub.narod.ru/rotorwingsportsTV.htm

or

http://www.rotorwingsportstv.com/page_3.htm

, lower picture ("Rotor over Russia")

Have fun!

[Aser]

Just dreaming with this kind of training after my getting my license...
http://www.airborneflighttraining.com/media/aftpromo_large.wmv (22mb)


:ok:

Regards.

[ground effect]

There was a thread that led to a site which enabled a download of video/mpeg footage showing a H300 doing some AMAZING flying...I think the thread may have been deleted:{ .......

Have Googled but no luck...I think the pilots name was Dennis Kenyon????...at an airshow????....

Please post the link if it sounds familiar
:ok:


ground effect

The video hasn't been deleted.
It's in the first post of this thread.

Heliport

[Jcooper]

http://www.helisite.be/

go here. scroll to the bottom, go to superb demonstration or something like that...number one in the most watched films..

[jerry712731]

Here are all the Links

Medium Resolution
http://libra.technology.users.btopenworld.com/DRKJ2002.WMV

Low Resolution
http://libra.technology.users.btopenworld.com/DRKJ2002-small.WMV

And for those with ADSL
A High Resoultion Version
http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/Dennis%20Kenyon%20Huge.wmv

Dennis is displaying at Aerofair in either his 300 or an Enstrom

Time to make another video I think :D

[jerry712731]

Here is a very early version on Dennis Kenyon doing his display at Aerofair 2004.
It is quite large...
Dennis Kenyon in an Enstrom at Aerofair 2004 (http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/Enstrom%20G-BYKF.wmv)
There is now a newer video, several postings below this one, but I have left them both on the site for comments

I hope to compile a DVD on Dennis's Flying and the proceeds will all go the the Dennis Kenyon Scholarship.

If anybody has any interesting footage and would like it used for a good cause please contact me

Jeremy Justice
Yet another one of Dennis's Pupils


This is a 40 Meg download, so guys without Broadband are in for a long wait

[MD900 Explorer]

Well whoever put that together had some audio-visual skills. I was dizzy by the first 2 mins.

Not as quality as the last Dennis Kenyon video at Shoreham, but when you are flying a big piece of ham what can you expect :confused: :confused:

But non the less a quality piece of flying

MD :ok:

[jerry712731]

Thanks for the Feedback
We will re-edit and make a few changes.
One of the issues was that the main filming point was very low, not like the elevated position at Shoreham.
We will be working with Dennis for a New Shoreham Video in the Enstrom but with an additional camera.
Watch this Space

JJ

[HeliEng]

Jerry.

You obviously have some FANTASTIC footage of Dennis' display.

For me, the film was bitty (bad word I know, but best I can come up with!!! ;) )
Each individual piece was too short. For example when he takes her vertically, and looks as though he's going right over the top, it cuts away to another shot.
I only managed about four minutes of it before my head kinda hurt!!!:\ :\

I don't really have any film making/video know how, and I also don't know exactly what footage you do have, just think it might be nicer if each bit was longer.

Hope I am not being too critical, feel a little guilty as there was obviously a lot of time and effort put into making it.

:O :O

[Flingwing207]

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for getting the video posted, although I couldn't hang with the late '90s MTV-style editing. Gift horse and all, but I'll go with the consensus so far and put in my vote for long takes - the previous (Schweizer 300) video was poetry!

I'm sure there's plenty of good vid to keep us prop-toppers happy - it doesn't take much, y'know.

[Aviator609]

I am looking for some ditching video's to be used for a HUET course. Any leads? Thanks!

[jerry712731]

We have listened to your comments and would like some feedback on this version

Dennis Kenyon at Aerofair 2004 (http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/G-BYKF.wmv)

Hope you enjoy it more :ok:

JJ

This is a 20 Meg download, so guys without Broadband are in for a long wait

[Obs cop]

Wow,

as I type this, the thread had received 66 replies and 6666 views. Just a little spooky.

Again, I am with the majority here in that the 300 video from before floated my boat more as this one was edited so much it was more a series of clips than a display. IMHO.:ugh:

Regards

Obs cop

[deeper]

I cannot get any of the links to work, any secrets?????

[jerry712731]

The uploads will be slow as they are on a 256K Upload from a home server.

Is the lastest video better than the first Aerofair Video ?

Guess we made a rod for our own back by making the first video (Shoreham) so good.

JJ

[jerry712731]

Any comments on the latest version as there seem to be quite a lot of downloads happening but no comments..... :confused:

[HeliEng]

Jerry,

I much prefer the new vid to the old one. My only criticism would be the bl**dy music!!! :\ :\ :\ By about three minutes I was tearing my hair out, and had to turn the sound off.

A+ for the vid though. A vast improvement in my eyes!!

[jerry712731]

Thanks for the feedback


We are planning to video Dennis at Castle Donnington on the 12th. I understand this will be to the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra so we will have nothing to do with the Music :p


JJ

[jerry712731]

Oops My server crashed big time.
:{
Links should be working again now

JJ

[KevinLonghurst]

Hi, unfortunately I was not able to get to Donnington to see Den's display this weekend. I understood that it was going to use an H500 too ! Do you or any of you friends have any video of the 'Wings & Strings' display ??

[shshelicopters]

great flying, the vid is good but even better live. I attend shoreham every year.
Sentence deleted :rolleyes:
the blue eagles put on a good show too with the reversing lynx.

Heliport

[HeliEng]

I am trying to find the video of the Student in the H300 who thought he could go fly without an instructor, I have found a couple of links to it through the search function, but all are dead links.

If anyone could help me out, I'd be very grateful!!!


Cheers guys

[Mountain Squirrel]

I found it for ya! Its at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm , along with a goldmine of accidents! Some that make you go "Ooh, I'm glad that wasn't me", and some a little more unfortunate.

Also, check out 405: The Movie while you're at it. Its hilarious! :ok:

[jerry712731]

The Donnington Display
The Lynxes Lynx tandem display (http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/Lynx%20at%20Donnington.wmv)
Dennis in the Enstrom Dennis in the Enstrom (http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/DRKJ%20at%20Donnington.wmv)
Rough Videos and at a great distance
JJ

[Obs cop]

Jerry,

The videos may be rough but there's nowt wrong with the flying. Both cracking displays, just wish I'd been there to see 'em live.

Obs cop

[arm the floats]

I remember seeing a video of a jetranger with a bambi bucket trying to lift water from a small private swimming pool and catching the tailrotor off the fence behind with devastating results.Does anyone have a copy or anything simililar?
I'm trying to compile some for a safety course.

Thanks
arm the floats

[jerry712731]

Todays Video from Rougham
Dennis kenyon at Rougham (http://www.libra-technology.co.uk/rougham.wmv)
Hope you like it

JJ

[flopter]

..looks like he got a little impatient?

Main Rotor contact with refueling tube - inflight (http://home.earthlink.net/~hyperimpyu2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/refueling.mpg) (right click "save as" )

lucky. :ooh:

[GJB]

ooyah f*cker springs to mind.

he must have dumped the collective pretty fiercely to contact the drobe

[the wizard of auz]

watch the disk...............you can actually see it unload and then load up as he pushes the cyclic forward.:eek: looks bloody scary and expensive.

[RDRickster]

It looks like he was chasing the drone chute as it went down then realized... "oh $hit, pull up, pull up." That is one well-built helicopter! Notice that the airspeed didn't slow much and he just kept on truck'in... lucky.

[the wizard of auz]

yeah, but check out the outta phase blade sailing about.
bet it shook like a bugga.

[NickLappos]

That is a USMC CH-53E, but I have no details on it. It is one tough machine, and can carry 55 fully loaded troops over 600NM at 150 knots.

[hotzenplotz]

I have also no further information about this accident, but at another website where this video is hosted I found this:

"This incident damaged 4 of the 7 main rotor blades and completely destroyed a refuel probe causing about $1,002,600.00 in damage to the helicopter. (Each main rotor blade costs 237,590.00 to replace from scrap, and the probe costs about $52,240.00)"

[waivar]

Funny to watch, def. dont wanna try that at home kids. Easy to say sat here in my chair!

Any one know what speed they do that at. Pilot led with cyclic as opposed to collective, so i'm guessing quite quick for the chopper wrt possible torque limits, and quite slow for the tanky!




Where there's blame, there's a claim!!!!


Cutting your refuellin probe off to spite your chopper!!

[Drooping Turns]

:oh:

The Herc can slow it up to about 110 Kts with all its drag deployed. They used to have to when supporting the origonal H-3 "Jolly Greens". Actually, they often had to arrange for a shallow dive while refueling because the H-3 had not the power to maintain 110 straight and level under many conditions. The 53 can get gas at much faster speeds. Don't remember the Vne for the basket but believe it was about 150 Kts.

This is the worst case of chasing the basket with cyclic that I have ever seen. A major safety NO-NO in refueling. The AC or IP should be sacked! It's a hard manuver to get right in turbulent conditions. The basket can swing wildly, but you must have the discipline to NOT chase with cyclic.

Finally, I am amazed the blade did not disintigrate and kill the whole crew. Those refueling probes are built tough and rigid. Thank goodness Sikorsky blades are tougher. It must have seemed like an eternity before they could get it on the ground from that altitude. Wonder if they could even see the gages?

They couldn't even go straight to the bar to get drunk with todays' accident investigation procedures.

Please let me have that kind of luck when I screw up!

DT

[Paracab]

Is that fuel spraying from the probe just after the blades have made contact ?

I wonder if this type of incident was considered during the design phases, and if any thought was given to possibly siting the probe a little lower ?

I'm sure someone can answer for me...! :bored:

[NickLappos]

paracab,
The envelope for blade motion is part of the design process for all helos, with or without fuel probes. Even weapons arcs have to be worked out relative to possible blade motions during maneuvers.

The probes are mounted low and retracted for normal operations, and extended only during refuel, when the maneuver envelope is restricted (duh!) but still sizable.

It is a devilish set of choices to try to design for most contingencies, but it is hard to make a helo that can't be harmed by the pilot.

The foolproof helo is a bit farther off than that, because it is said that fools are actually quite ingenious.

[Paracab]

NL,

Thanks for that, I guessed as much, but watching that clip made me wonder !

[IHL]

That video has been around for a while . I think I first saw it in 99 or 2000.

[waivar]

Just a shot in the dark, but you never know!!!

Would a kite system work better? That way the bucket would appear underneath the helicopter. You could make the refuelling point underneath the main rotor thereby getting round the problem of extended refuelling probes.

Of course you would need an acurate con by the aircrewman, or you could have some sort of computer lead system / video screen.

Hmmmm..... I'm of to the patents or lockheed / boeing



.....patents first, then lockheed / boeing :p

[flopter]

Originally posted by IHL
That video has been around for a while . I think I first saw it in 99 or 2000.

really,...and that's all you have to say about it? :hmm:

if so..

Is it posted on this Forum already?
Did you post the video here in all your years on the internet after you saw it?

I bet not, so what is the purpose of demeaning my contribution to this forum by posting in my thread implying the content I use is "old"....... go make yourself feel important in another thread. :rolleyes:

[jerry712731]

Have moved my videos to a new home

Enstrom Displays at Aerofair
http://www.battle-heli.co.uk/videos/G-BYKF.wmv
or
http://www.battle-heli.co.uk/videos/Enstrom%20G-BYKF.wmv

The Original Display at Shoreham in the 300
http://www.battle-heli.co.uk/videos/DRKJ2002.WMV


Hope you enjoy them on a faster Server

Big files so if you are on dial up, you are in for a long wait

Jerry

[Heliport]

For those on on dial-up connections, the easiest way to view large files is ~

Right-click on the link
Select Save Target As ..... to save the file to your hard disk and then play it.
It will take a long time to download but it avoids the irritation of viewing in fits and starts as the file buffers, and you can carry on using the net for other things (eg reading the posts on this forum) while the file downloads in the background.

[gedney]

Chaps,

I seem to recall seeing a clip some years ago of a Canadian (I think) Sea King which got into vortex ring (I think) at an airshow and ended up making 'a rather heavy landing'.

Does anybody have a link to this clip, or indeed any similar clips or photos?

It would be really handy to have this in a presentation that I am preparing.

Thanks,

Gedney

[Rotorbee]

That one?

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Helicopter%20Crash.mpeg

[gedney]

Rotorbee,

That's what I was after - thanks for your help, very much appreciated!

Gedney

[Christo]

Get is on this page (http://www.grouchymedia.com/other_videos/helo_thunder/index.cfm)

[Spaced]

Thats it Im joining the Army!

[B Sousa]

Christo, it wont be long before the Sensitivity Police slap your hands...........
Good One

[ppf]

That was a top video! Question for anyone in the know.....is it standard practice to land the way the Blackhawk’s did i.e. tail hard and first followed by several bounces before settling down?

ppf :p

[Nealcon]

Cheers for a great vid christo!

[B Sousa]

PPf, Sikorsky's are famous for "Find out where the Tailwheel hits first than see where the rest plops down." I can only speak for the CH-34/S-58 but its all from the same shop.

[ppf]

Cheers much B Sousa! Did look rather unorthodox as I’m probably use to the 'more' gently UK operations where the landings look a bit less painful, those i've seen that is!

..........still a top video thou!

ppf ;)

[Robbo Jock]

Fantastic video Christo! Thanks.

[Bad medicine]

Can someone post it somewhere else. My firewall won't let me get at it from that site.

Cheers,

BM

[GroundGirl]

I can get at it either!!:(

[Vfrpilotpb]

Being slightly Dioreherish at playing with computers, I've spent eight hours rebuilding all my info , somewhere in the ether I did something that was almost as bad as taking your hand off the pole in an R22, wont say I crashed and burned, but almost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Vfr

[as355f1]

TOP VID WHAT WAS THE TUNE PLAYING IT WAS GR8T

[Straight Up Again]

Tune is "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC

[MightyGem]

Take a look at THIS (http://libra.technology.users.btopenworld.com/DRKJ2002.WMV )

Good stuff but the downside is that it's 20mb.

[John Eacott]

MG,

A good video, but to save others wasting 20mb of download it's a YART :(

The Dennis Kenyon video has been around for a while ;)

[MightyGem]

Sorry, what's a YART??

[John Eacott]

Yet Another Rehashed Thread :cool:

[Col]

If you're new to the forum (and others), it's a good link and will stream so you should be able to watch it without too much delay.

[Delta Julliet Golf]

Nice vid! Never seen it before! I miss "playtime" sometimes with the helos, but the pax in the back wouldn't like it probably :O

DJG

[SMOUC]

WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT THAT!!!!! COULDNT EVEN LAND ON THE PAD. MUST HAVE BEEN A STUDENT.

[18greens]

I was looking for the video of the guy who decided to have a little go in his new helicopter before getting the instructor involved.

I've done a search but I can't find it.

Can anyone help?

[UwantME2landWHERE!]

Try this link:-

http://sa.nextwish.org/Video/helocrash.wmv :ok:

[18greens]

That's the one, thanks very much.

A salutory tale for people who thing flying is easy.

[jimgriff]

The source filter for this file could not be loaded.

How do I see this?

[rotorcraig]

This is a recurring thread.

See here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=104459), here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=100288), here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=81379), here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=72363) etc...

RC

[Flingwing207]

Y'know, if ol' Hogg had a dime for every time that video has been linked, he'd be able to buy himself a brand-new CBi!:}

[Whirlygig]

C'mon guys, give the chap/ess a break! I know us old timers have seen it before BUT it is still highly amusing and I don't mind seeing it again!

Cheers

Whirlygig

[RDRickster]

NTSB Report follows (or click here)... (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X30727&key=1)

NTSB Identification: LAX87LA190
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35617
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, April 26, 1987 in RUBIDOUX, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/17/89
Aircraft: HUGHES 269B, registration: N101DN
Injuries: 1 Minor

A HUGHES 269B WENT OUT OF CONTROL AND COLLIDED WITH THE GROUND DURING A T/O TO A HOVER. THE PILOT HAD PURCHASED THE AIRCRAFT RECENTLY AND WAS LEARNING TO FLY IT. HE WAS SCHEDULED FOR HIS FIRST FLIGHT LESSON ON THE DAY OF THE ACCIDENT. THE CFI REPORTED THAT HE HAD TOLD THE STUDENT PILOT TO WAIT FOR HIM AND NOT TO TOUCH ANYTHING. WHILE WAITING FOR THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, THE NON ROTORCRAFT RATED STUDENT PILOT STARTED THE AIRCRAFT, RAN IT UP TO FULL RPM, AND THEN BEGAN TO INCREASE THE COLLECTIVE PITCH CONTROL. THE HELICOPTER CLIMBED VERTICALLY TO A HIGH HOVER AND THE PILOT LOST CONTROL. THE PILOT STATED THAT HE HAD NOT RELEASED THE CYCLIC FRICTION BEFORE BECOMING AIRBORNE. THE PILOT INDICATED HE HAD ABOUT500 HOURS OF FLIGHT TIME BUT DID NOT SPECIFY THE TYPE AND NO SUBSTANTIATION OF THE TIME COULD BE MADE.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

DIRECTIONAL CONTROL..NOT MAINTAINED..DUAL STUDENT
JUDGMENT..POOR..DUAL STUDENT
VERTICAL TAKEOFF..UNCONTROLLED..DUAL STUDENT
INSTRUCTIONS,WRITTEN/VERBAL..DISREGARDED..DUAL STUDENT

[Tony Chambers]

here is a link to some great helivids. Post your thoughts and vote the best. :ok:

http://www.augustoheli.com/videostuff/videoarchive/FullScale/default.asp

here is a pic, how f:mad: ing lucky are the crew, its not the poles i would have been worried about, its the big fuel tank next to them.

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/mar04/pilot030104.jpg

[tall and tasty]

Hi everyone

Don't normally visit this forum but wateched the video of

Schweitzer aerobatics...

Totally awesome and poetry in motion to be able to fly like that


TnT

[A10 Thundybox]

the death of a beautiful model



longish vid http://www.voy-tech.net/Videos/bell230/crash.wmv