Are you SICK of instructing?

[Highbypasss]

I certainly am!!!

I'm in a job which combines instructing with charter work. Iv'e got almost 1000 hours instructing. I had enough of it about 500 hours ago, but can't seem to get away from it. Don't get me wrong. I still put 110% effort into my instructing. I constantly give more to my students than they expect and more than I probably should.

Now, I know I should get out before I strangle the next ab-initio student who fly's down base leg at 120 kts in a 172 wondering why she can't get down to the white arc. Believe me. I'm trying. But in the mean time, can anyone give me advice on how to cope with the frustration and teduim until I get a REAL job?

Thanks all........................................................H .:cool:

[itchybum]

I would suggest trying a job at the pub pulling beers. Not what you want to hear, I bet, but the best for your students who pay a considerable amount of money to YOU to teach them to fly.

Are any of your students CPLs? If so, a ground job for a while may help you to empathise with these up-and-coming professional pilots.

Or stop waiting for a better job to fall into your lap. Take your hours and go find one somewhere else. Success will solve the problem. A lack of success might improve your attitude.

I know you said you put in 110% still but if that's how you feel then I believe it will show through in attitude and performance, despite your efforts not to let it.

[Ace on Base]

:{ H.

What a CR@P attitude!!:ouch:

Seems the only one you should strangle is yourself for obviously making the wrong decission all that time ago - obviously you are using it as purely a stepping stone not realising that the gap in between instructing and a better job is a wide one:uhoh:

with about 1700 hours instructing I STILL enjoy instructing, and I think I always will - particularly when the student reaps the rewards of your labour ie first solo, GFPT, PPL, CPL, ME / CIR, and they are eternally thankfull. A good instructor will always leave a impressionable footprint in a students mind!

A good instructor MAY go on to better positions in regionals etc with Check and Training, etc...... particularly if they have a grade 1!

If you are disgrunteled, dont take it out on the student as all they are doing is trying to be YOU. I suggest you take a deep hard long look at your attitude, and make some decisions mate.

Oh, BTW, with 1300 hrs ME charter - its not a bed of roses there either mate. you sound like your the type that will be still winging when you are sitting out on charter for 7 hours at the back o' Burk somewhere in the hot and covered with flies waiting for "those bloody passangers" to turn up :mad:

thats my $0.02 anyway!


Edited for the spelling cops at 0450 in the morning - yawn!

[Capt Nomad]

Think of the guy/gal who does not have the opportunity to flying charter and is just stuck in a full time instructing position, or for that matter no flying job.
Also the fact that your student is reflection of his or her instructor.
General aviation is never an easy road.
I can think of lots of people who would swap places with you.
The grass is not always greener the other side of the fence.

[VH-BIG]

Nice attitude!! I agree with itchybum, why don't you get off your incompetent ass and go get this so called "real job". Some people with junior grade three ratings and no job would kill for your position, so why don' you give them an opportunity! :}

[HEALY]

Highbypass,

You really need to enter the room of Mirrors......AND TAKE A GOOD, HARD, LONG LOOK AT YOURSELF!

[Mikey21]

I instructed for 2.5 years.
Every day for that matter, my day off was when i could see the sun, and when the birds stayed on the tree the weather is so ****ty!!!

I tried to get out of it, and it took me 1.5 years to get a job, where i didn't have to tell the guy next to me what to do..

And you know what after 6 months of it, i got laid off, and believe me i missed instruction at that time.

Just enjoy it, you have a job...and you chose the condition you fly in... that is a big bonus.

I fly in canada, and i tell you there are some days where you would prefer not to be a pilot.
For instance, IFR night, with a full boat , ****ty weather and wind blowing at 40kts,... that isn't fun. And if the **** it the fan, then you 're screwed.
Sometimes i think about the good and bad old days of instruction , where you make the decision, and you are not govern by joe blow that needs to make is meeting and doesn't understand what windshear means..

Don't get me wrong, i love my job,
Just enjoy what you have it is only temporary, so make the most of it.

Try new things, challenge yourself.
Do you master you plane???? may be you should, and when you will be thenit is time to move on.

[OzExpat]

Toss the job in mate, you're obviously not cut-out to be an instructor.

I instructed full time between 1981 and 1984, then combined it with charter work for two years. After that, I moved on to other things but did part-time instructing right thru 1991. I can tell you that I enjoyed every boring, tedious, terror-filled moment of it! I enjoyed it because I saw more results for my efforts than what was in my pay packet... the first-up passes by MY trainees in flight tests for various licence and/or rating qualifications.

I felt proud to have been responsible for all of that. I'm still proud of those achievements now. Job satisfaction is what it was all about for me and I got HEAPS of that.

I have so many memories from those years and wouldn't trade them for anything. I feel privileged for having been able to devote so much of my time to teaching skills - and safe flying practices - to so many people. And it's especially nice to meet up with a former trainee now and know that he, or she, has made a successful career in this industry that we all love, love to hate, and still love.

As you're sick of instructing, you're obviously not seeing any of the many intangible rewards associated with the work. Get out now so that someone else can do the right thing by your current trainees.

[Muttley Crew]

At first glance, I would suggest this is a wind-up and a fairly amateurish attempt at that. Sorry Highbypasss but you'll need to try harder. Go read jetblast and check out what the seasoned @rseholes post to amuse themselves.

No one could possibly be so out of tune as to seriously post this kind of thing. Someone's fishing for some 'out-raged replies'.

[ugly]

Try working a ****ty office job 9 to 5....

[Ace on Base]

Me thinks the same as Mutley........... a poor attempt at a wind up!!!

If not a wind up, Your attempt get some sympathy has fallen on deaf ears, Surely you arnt that un intelegent to think you would get any sympathy from a forum of pruners that have been there, done that?

-PULL YER HEAD IN!!, and get another job, H!!

[QNIM]

Gday high
In answer to your post nup.
Cheers Q :8

[coopervane]

I,d say get a life but you already have one.......enjoy it as there are plenty of ****ty jobs out there...........you should try a few and then you would realise that u got a guddun.

Coop & Bear Flt Eng and low houred student PPL

[getmeoutovga]

Gota love the 'herd mentality', a few people bag him so every one does, I'm sure if a few people had sympathised with him then again so would a lot of others:rolleyes:

Come on, you all know exactly what highbypass is talking about. I thought whinging about instructing was a favourite pastime of instructors, and if there is anyone out there who hasn't on one day felt like he or she has had enough of instructing and wants to move on to something bigger and better then you are a LIAR!!!

Don’t get me wrong I loved instructing and used to hate it when I heard other instructors (especially those junior to myself) complain about instructing. BUT we have all done it at some stage or another so give the poor ****** a break:hmm:

Now wheres my sheep dog??

[GW_04]

Bypass...

If your not winding us up me ole mate, what sort of response did you really expect?
Come on.... I think you already know the answer yourself.

If your sick of it mate its because:

A. You have lost (sight of) the ability to find a new challenge every day in your current situation?

or
B. Your just not cut out for it!

Me thinks its not B, because you wouldnt have done 1000hrs of it if you wern't!
My advice H, is to find a new challenge for yourself every day to keep it interesting. Sounds like you could work on a little technique maybe if your having probs with the girl on base.
Try instructing Multi IF, if you dont already......that can be a ball of fun, and quite a challenge for yourself to get the complex high workload lessons through to your students as effectively as you can.
I dont think its the instructing job the prob here mate.
As HEALY said......"take a look in the mirror".

G:sad:

[flying_phonebox]

At least the students don't smell! Well not always....

[flyby_kiwi]

Bypass;

On a different note to the previous posts........

I got involved in the instructing thing and at one stage starting leaning they way you feel now although for me it was when I first began.
The reasons I later found for it were that I was quite happy in the a/c or doing groundwork with the student but what was getting to to me was 1) Over doing it (working too longer days with nearly no days off) 2) Getting caught up in other peoples problems and other political B******T that can go on at times.
I found for myself that cutting back on the instructing and going out to work parttime (not in avaition) fixed this immensley by putting a different perspective on life. If you can do that with the organisation you with do it.

[Captain Sand Dune]

Did instructors course 10 years ago and have no regrets. Got to love a job where I can teach someone to fly an aircraft to the edge of it's envelope, formation, low nav etc.
The qualification paid quite handsomely too in the The Land of Sand!:D

[Cloud Cutter]

Cut the guy some slack!!! :ouch:

He's just being honest. For those of you that enjoy(ed) instructing, good for you. The fact is many pilots weren't blessed with the patience required of a teacher, unfortunately instructing is very often a necessary first step. So he’s not cut out to be a teacher, does that mean that he’s not worthy of bigger things as a pilot?

Highbypasss, as itchybum said, your students are shelling out a considerable amount of dough, and your attitude has a huge impact on the type of pilot they become – of course you knew that. Unfortunately your 110% is never going to be as good as the natural teacher’s, so do yourself and your student’s a favour, and get out of instructing.

Good luck with your career as a pilot. If you ever decide to change professions, for god’s sake don’t become a teacher! :8

[Reverseflowkeroburna]

Mikey21 got it in one!! You may not be over the moon about continuing to share your skills and knowledge with those who so eagerly lap it up and look up to you so impressionably.

At least be thankful that you are able to enjoy the relative comfort of the "reasonable weather" days. The option being of course......to launch off into the night into what any self-respecting "dog lover" wouldn't send his loyal hound to its kennel in!!!!!


Looking at the more positive aspect that OzExpat mentioned.............does anyone else have any proud and memorable tales to tell of past students that they've met years later, who are well down the fun-filled road to aviation glory themselves. I find that to be one of the surprisingly pleasant lingerings of my instructional days!!

Perhaps we could post a new thread on this??

Are positive threads allowed?????????? :confused: :ok:

[itchybum]

highbypasss your absence is notable. It's starting to look like this was a windup after all.

Got anything to say or still out soul-searching like Homer Simpson in the "Chilli/talking dog" episode?

[Nipper]

This may or may not be a wind up, but the following probably describes aviation and pilot's in its glory.

THE FULL CIRCLE :ok:

One fine hot Summer’s afternoon saw a Cessna 150 flying circuits at a quiet country airfield. The Instructor was getting quite bothered with the student’s inability to hold circuit height in the thermals and was getting impatient at sometimes having to take over the controls. Just then he saw a twin engine Cessna 5,000ft above him and thought "Another 1,000 hrs of this and I qualify for that twin charter job! Aaahh.. to be a real pilot.. going somewhere!"

The Cessna 402 was already late and the boss told him this charter was for one of the Company’s premier clients. He’d already set MCT and the cylinders didn’t like it in the heat of this Summer’s day. He was at 6,000ft and the winds were now a 20kt headwind. Today was the 6th day straight and he was pretty damn tired. Maybe if he got 10,000ft out of them the wind might die off... geez those cylinder temps! He looked out momentarily and saw a B737 leaving a contrail at 33,000ft in the serene blue sky. "Oh man" he thought, "My interview is next month. I hope I just don’t blow it! Outa G/A, nice jet job, above the weather... no snotty passengers to wait for.. aahhh."

The Boeing 737 bucked and weaved in the heavy CAT at FL330 and ATC advised that lower levels were not available due traffic. The Captain, who was only recently advised that his destination was below RVR minimums had slowed to LRC to try and hold off a possible inflight diversion, and arrange an ETA that would helpfully ensure the fog had lifted to CATII minima. The Company negotiations broke down yesterday and looked as if everyone was going to take a damn pay cut. The F/O’s will be particularly hard hit as their pay wasn’t anything to speak of anyway. Finally deciding on a speed compromise between LRC and turbulence penetration, the Captain looked up and saw Concorde at Mach 2+. Tapping his F/O’s shoulder as the 737 took another bashing, he said "Now THAT’S what we should be on... huge pay packet... super fast... not too many routes... not too many sectors... above the CAT... yep! What a life...!"

FL590 was not what he wanted anyway and considered FL570. Already the TAT was creeping up again and either they would have to descend or slow down. That damn rear fuel transfer pump was becoming unreliable and the F/E had said moments ago that the radiation meter was not reading numbers that he’d like to see. Concorde descended to FL570 but the radiation was still quite high even though the Notam indicated hunky dory below FL610. Fuel flow was up and the transfer pump was intermittent. Evening turned into night as they passed over the Atlantic. Looking up, the F/O could see a tiny white dot moving against the backdrop of a myriad of stars. "Hey Captain" he called as he pointed. "Must be the Shuttle. "The Captain looked for a moment and agreed. Quietly he thought how a Shuttle mission, whilst complicated, must be the be all and end all in aviation. Above the crap, no radiation problems, no damn fuel transfer problems... aaah. Must be a great way to earn a quid."

Discovery was into its 27th orbit and perigee was 200ft out from nominated rendezvous altitude with the commsat. The robot arm was virtually U/S and a walk may become necessary. The 200ft predicted error would necessitate a corrective burn and Discovery needed that fuel if a walk was to be required. Houston continually asked what the Commander wanted to do but the advice they proffered wasn’t much help. The Commander had already been 12 hours on station sorting out the problem and just wanted 10 bloody minutes to himself to take a leak. Just then a mission specialist, who had tilted the telescope down to the surface for a minute or two, called the Commander to the scope. "Have a look at this Sir, isn’t this the kinda flying you said you wanted to do after you finish up with NASA?" The Commander peered through the telescope and cried "Ooooohhhhh yeah! Now THAT’S flying! Man, that’s what its all about! Geez I’d give my left nut just to be doing THAT down there!"

What the Discovery Commander was looking at was a Cessna 150 flying circuits at a quiet country airfield on a nice bright sunny afternoon.


Nipper - out

[the looka]

Highbypass, toss the job, go to PNG, hang out with the north coast boys in Lae for a week, don't be shy at the post office or putting on the p1ss. In two years time you'll have 1800 hrs multi and hate the islander with the same passion you hate instructing but be a whole lot closer to where you want to be. Crossing the pacific in a heavy is not that much fun. The time off in between is.

[plear crop]

"Nipper", the best reality check and humorous post I have read here for a while. Well done.

The grass is not always greener on the otherside!

[lackov]

Geez guys!

A hell of a lot of assumptions floating around here. I'm pretty certain I know HyBy, and a lot of the assumtions are soooo far off the mark it's not funny.

Facts:

HB is a consumate professional, and the attitude that you elude to is not at all evident any time I've seen him. A quick conversation with any of you would verify that.

HB lives nowhere near ANY captial city, despite his hometown being just that. The impression I get is that he craves nothing more than to go home, but we all know that what you want isn't always what you get. He left the aforementioned hometown to try and get the next bit after already having a bit of instructing under his belt, and it hasn't quite worked out as he envisaged.

HB has been 'pigeonholed' like a lot of instructors, by his current employer. He had the rating, and is actually an awesome and enthusiastic teacher, and his current employer saw this. I have full belief that the students are getting every cent in the dollars worth of value with HB. There are certain companys you don't want to have certain endorsements, lest they stick you on whatever the dogbox of the fleet happens to be, so too in other companies there are a bunch of pilots, but only one instructor.

HB is no different to the school teacher who does a fantastic job day-in, day-out, the one who all the school kids love. If that teacher walks into the private staff room at lunch, and puts out a cry for advice on the basis that they're getting weary in a big way, then they usually get at least a little sympathy, if not some constructive advice. This does happen, and I'll accept no self-justifying aguments to the contrary, I've seen it. All the poor guy got here was a good ripping by a pack of hyenas, nice work everybody.

[Spinnerhead]

I just feel sorry for the poor bastard charter pilot you will have to do 50 hrs ICUS with. As that is about how long it will take to get 1000 hrs of instructor mentality cr@p outa your head, and start turning you into a pilot. So the sooner you leave what you are doing and move along, all the better.

Have you tried Sharpe Aviation?

[OzExpat]

It sounds to me like lackov is saying that we're not entitled to have an opinion that is opposite to his. We are not entitled to call things as we see them. Maybe I'm missing something here but, just in case, maybe I should offer some form of public apology.

Well, I for one am very sorry to have expressed an opinion that is contrary to yours. Sorry also that I could only base my post on the information provided in the initiating post - and in absense of any further clarification.

I'm really terribly sorry that I didn't know any of the information that you have so thoughtfully provided. But, more than anything else, I'm sorry to say that there's no way that I'll change any of my comments. Nor do I intend to offer any of the sympathy that you seem to feel that your alter-ego deserves.

[Cypher]

Good to see the ole PPrUNE attitude is alive and well among you all out in Internet land.. bag the poor b@stard for being honest..

good on ya all :rolleyes:

I suspect it's probably something like this..

95% of men are w@nk**s.. the other 5% are liars...

95% of instructors probably have felt at some point, the way highbypass feels.. the other 5% are liars...

doesn't mean that they're all bad instructors for being honest..

[lackov]

It's not often that I truly get the ****s about something to the point of this type of reply, but congrats oz-expat, you've joined the privileged few. To say that reading your response was disappointing would be an understatement. I've not often read a shallower perspective than your response to my post, regardless of the sentiment contained in your original.
You claim that I, in some way, believe against a freedom of opinion and expression. At the very least explain this (somewhat warped) view. All I did was provide a few facts (and they ARE facts!) for those of you who may not have had them, and resultantly went off half cocked on some idelogical, nevertheless flawed, rampage. If providing information to an argument is an example of inhibiting an opinion, well, you've got me beat......
I don't know you from a bar of soap, and neither do I care to after your post, but you've given a vitriolic example of why there's no unity in G.A.
Besides, my comments were aimed at those insistant on playing the man, rather than the ball.
If you believe in your view then by all means express it. I'd be dissappointed if you didn't, but judging by your response I'd hazard that it's more you that got stroppy when challenged. Wouldn't you think?
Shame.
As for the quip about alter egos, nothing could be further from the truth. I've never been an instructor, at least not the aeroplane type. My career, and indeed life is pretty damn different from HBs to say the least. The irony of the whole thing though is that the reason I know him is pure chance, as a result of an act of absolute kindness to an (at the time) absolute stranger when I sure as hell needed some help. This is why I stick up for my mates, as you have seen. What do you define as a mate?

BTW, Nipper, I meant to say in the last post. Really nicely put! Thats the magic of aviation summed up in a page!:ok:

[Highbypasss]

Hi to everyone.

1. This is NOT a wind up.
2. lackov is a very good friend of mine who knows me well. Thanks for your support mate.
3. When I included that I put in 110% for my students, I MEAN'T IT.
4. I am still in constant contact with MANY students that I have taught in the past. SMS, e-mail, telephone; I love to hear that they've either broken into the comercial "game" or that they simply enjoy private flying. Fly away's, club competitions, all the great things that flying clubs have to offer. And it's all because they had the passion and desire, and I had the patience, skill and enthusiasm.
5. Spinnerhead You're not an instructor. That's a given. And, no offence intended mate, but I'll be willing to fly off ANYONE. I don't consider myself as only a PILOT. In my opinion a PILOT is someone who "sits" in an aircraft. I am ALSO a "FLYER". There are times when being a PILOT is apropriate, and there are times when you must be a FLYER. A FLYER straps the aircraft to him/herself and they become part of the aircraft. They become one unit. ANYTHING that the aircraft does, bad or good, is the fault of the flyer. A few years ago I started a thread about the skills and abilities of instructors v's charter/bush pilots. I now have almost 800 hours experience as a bush pilot in multi's, singles, turbos, high wing, low wing, lycomings, continentals, mine runs, mail runs, heaps and heaps of short, dry, bumpy, narrow strips, instructing ab-initio and nav, bright students, challenging students, extreamly smelly students....(have I left anything out?), and I can honestly say this. When I moved here, away from home, I could mix it with anyone IMEDIATELY, even back then. My new boss was very impressed with my company check flight. I atribute this to the skills I developed as an instructor. If you can strap anything from a 172, to a Navajo to your back, fly a manoeuvre RIGHT ON THE NUMBERS, AND accurately describe every step of the manoeuvre, then i'll listen to you. And just to further clarify, I DO NOT THINK THAT ANY TYPE OF WORK NECESSARILY MAKES A BETTER PILOT/FLYER THAN ANOTHER. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR!!! I just don't apreciate people who have never instructed before, telling me that I am not a "real pilot". However, regardless of your overall experience itchybum, OzExpat, Ace on Base, HEALY, and anyone else with a similar opinion, you have missed the point totally.

In my original post, I did not mention the word "sympathy" at all. That's not what i'm after. I have simply reached a point in my CHOSEN career when I feel I need some advice to help me get through a dificult period. I will provide no less a service to my students than I brought with me as a fresh and enthusiastic junior grade 3. I get on very well with all my current students. They have the choice to fly with other instructors when i'm not available, but CHOOSE to fly with me. This is BY NO MEANS having a dig at the other instructors. I guess it just proves that they don't have a problem with me as their instructor.

getmeoutovga, and all with similar posts and opinions. I thank you for understanding. In fact, you said it in far fewer words than i've used here, but far better ( I must admit). Your second parragraph is absolutely spot on. Thanks.

[Ace on Base]

HB,

Nicely put........ Bl@@dy shame it didnt come across that way in the beginning though!!:ok:

You cant place the blame for the responses that were posted, and as it took so long for you to defend your thread - it seemed obvious that it was a wind up!:ouch:

Mate, I hope things take a turn in your favour, and you dont loose the plot to the extent that it sounds like your having a winge bigtime. If you need support / Ideas / Refreshing / etc., Just consider the wording of your thread before letting your fingers doing the talking! (FIGBIN - Fingers in gear, Brain in neutral) - I know cause I was creamed a number of years ago with a disgrunted comment.
:ok: :ok: :ok:

[mo_gravy]

hmmm... lackov posts and highbypasss replies in less then an hour after prolonged absence. Gravy™ smells a rat and it ain't the big red one.

ozexpat???

Anyway shame on you highbypasss for seeking comfort and wisdom on pprune DG GA questions. Your in the wrong place if your looking for a group hug and teary round of "Kumbayah"...

signed,

gravy™

[Highbypasss]

Okay Mr Gravy. I'll bite.

On the evening of the 6th, I decided to post my original post for some advice. I however was confronted with negativity (only about 6 replies by then). I was at a loss as to how to reply to these people, so I slept on it. The next few days were very busy at work. Getting home at night I only had the energy to check e-mails and go to bed for another early start. Then on the evening of the 9th I was doing the same when lakov popped up on ICQ and asked if I'd seen his reply to my post. I immediately checked it out and was pleasantly surprised to see his, and other peoples more positive posts....especially his. I then thought i'd better respond and clarify, and also express my apreciation to those who offered constructive critisism.

By the way. If people realy DO think that lakov and myself are one and the same....well....i'm truely honored. lakov expresses himself in a way that I can only aspire to. I just love his "take not ****" tone. It got him through GA and he's still going!!! AMAZING!!!

............................................................ .H.:cool:

[Spinnerhead]

HBP

Now I don't know you bloke, and you might be a real good fella, I would probably even enjoy drinking beer with you, BUT. Your comments are so typical of so many instructors who claim they can do this that and the other sooo much better than anyone else, that one can only assume the worst.

[maxgrad]

Spinnerhead
I know the guy
like him and enjoy a beer with him although been >4 yrs since last.

OK he stuffed his first post on this thread,
Who ^%$$& cares if it really is a wind up,(I think not!)

Question ...how many have been in a job and dreamed of better, or have a higher goal?
Answer... my guess is every one.

HBP would be doing his absolute best in his present position, but he has just proved himself human by 1. dreaming of better and 2. incorrectly verbalising what he probably intended.

HBP...hope to have another beer with you one day soon. My advice... well ...it's just a hole in the road. get over it or around it, the other side is smoother.
cheers:ok:

[OzExpat]

Okay, so Highbypasss and lackov are not the same person. Fine. I can live with that.

Just now, I went back and re-read the initial post. It still seems, to me at least, to have been pretty specific, with enough detail to convince me that my initial reaction wasn't over the top. I have no intention of defending myself because I don't feel the need to do so.

However, if you care to re-read my initial post, HB, I think that you'll find that I provided "advice on how to cope with the frustration and teduim until I get a REAL job" (I'm sure that you'll recall those words). But, hey, feel free to read whatever you like into it.

[Highbypasss]

MAX!!! Great to hear from you, mate!!! As usual, spoken (or typed) like a true legend. You're right. It has been WAY TOO LONG!!! WAY....TOO...LONG, between drinks and BBQ's. I hope it can be real soon. Actually, I almost had a charter up your way recently. It got cancelled when the numbers swelled to 50. I think they took a couple of Bras' in the end.

Spinnerhead. I reciprocate all that you said. I don't know you either, and i'm sure you too might be a real good fella. I would probably enjoy having a drink with you too. However, your comments too are so typical of someone who ISN'T an instructor. If you go back and read my second post (the real long one) and readAnd just to further clarify, I DO NOT THINK THAT ANY TYPE OF WORK NECESSARILY MAKES A BETTER PILOT/FLYER THAN ANOTHER. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR!!! I just don't apreciate people who have never instructed before, telling me that I am not a "real pilot".

If I was to re-type this specifically for you, it would read like this,

"I DO NOT THINK THAT INSTRUCTORS ARE BETTER PILOTS/FLYERS THAN NON INSTRUCTORS, AND I EQUALLY DON'T THINK THAT NON INSTRUCTORS ARE BETTER PILOTS/FLYERS THAN INSTRUCTORS." I can't make this any clearer. I really believe this. It's just that I seem to hear alot of non-instructors, (or low time instructors who have given up and gone bush) trying to tell me that instructors are low quality FLYERS. ie. not good at handleing aircraft. This is simply NOT TRUE. Each one of us has individual skills. Some of us can land short field beter than others. Some can fly I.F. better than others. Some are more fluent with regs than others. This may have something to do with the fact that you are a night freight pilot, or bank runs, milk runs, mail runs...whatever. But from my experience, whether you are an instructor or not has nothing to do with it. I know an equal amount of people with instructor ratings as I do without. They are all INDIVIDUALS.

You may have come across instructors who think that they are better. I CERTAINLY HAVE. I was instructed by a few who have their heads firmly wedged up their....well....I hated them at the time, and still do. But i'm sort of glad I ran into them. They made me realise what an instructor SHOULDN'T be like.

.......I dont' know any other way to put it........I just ask this. Don't bag instructors' abilities just because they're instructors. I hope all you NT operators are reading this........................................(hear we go.............::rolleyes: )

...................................................H.:cool:

[Towering Q]

"You are all individuals!".....

..
....."I'm not."

[maxgrad]

30 YEARS OF SILENCE.
NOT A WORD
AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO SHUT UP.





gET AWAY FROM MY JUNIPER BUSH!!!

[Highbypasss]

Hey Max. I think we'd better have a camomile instead..........:D

.........................H.:cool:

[Col. Walter E. Kurtz]

HB - It's pretty easy to get burnt out and feel negative. Take a holiday, recharge, reassess and look at what YOU can get out of being a good instructor.



Be patient, work hard, be humble.

Good luck with it all.

[swh]

Highbypasss,

I guess we all have days when we wish we were somewhere else. I remember doing days of over 8 hrs instructional, 29.9 hrs in a week, and 89 hrs in a month.

Some days you might only do a couple of lessons and come back feeling absolutely crap, your mouth and throat working overtime, thinking, looking out everywhere for other traffic, and your student did not prepare like you asked, or they a hitting a learning plateau, you see no progress, you feel as if you have failed. Or trying to do a descending lesson, power idle, nose down, and still S&L or climbing, how can I "cheat" to make this demonstration work ....

I gave up another career because I felt like that most days, no sense of achievement, and took up flying full time.

Still there are times when I wish I was somewhere else, other times I am glad of the time I spent instructing, if its applying rules like they are second nature to keep myself alive, knowing what the weather is doing when icing up and how to do a PNR/CP when I was 400 nm from my destination, and 700 nm over water to my alternate. Landing at night a 5t aircraft at remote "strip", 800mx15 m, and possibly without the assistance of runway lights. I still keep pattering myself, looking at ways to improve. I still walk away thinking I have achieved something.

I am no super pilot, when I look at some of the students I had, I see myself as being average, not a natural, but willing to put a hard days work in for a days pay. Instructing also gave me more exposure to being tested, G3, G2, G1, ME, IR, renewals, just more flights test, which helps me now when its time for me to get checked or move to a new type.

This time next year your skills will be very well sort after, with part 121B every charter organisation will need to have C&T system, and that system will need good instructors.

When you get into two crew ops, it will be situation normal for you, having to tell the person next to you what you’re doing, briefings, calling out deviations, using checklists, you will find it a small transition. Single pilot charter to two crew RPT, that is a shock to many a charter pilot.

Enjoy what you are doing, at the end of the day the only person you need to keep happy is yourself.

Thants my IDR132 worth.

[maxgrad]

HBP...prefer beer and a poolside location.
sounds like we all need a break!
;) :ok:

[Parablues]

You can work at the Murray Bridge Flying School for FREE (not get paid), wash aeroplanes, and take orders from the one and only REG the VEG who is this loser bloke Grade One the drools, brags and is a no hoper... Spike 007 also works there and will clearly inform you of how smart he truly is... then there is "Thomas the Tank Engine" who will sue your bum off - so you see, be thankful that you even have a job in aviation in this tedious industry... obviously you never paid for your own education and you do not see the value in it... Obviously, you have not done too badly... make sure that yoiu have your ATPLs, current CIRs and be ready to shift... there IS movement now so just hang on!

[Highbypasss]

Col. Walter E. Kurtz and swh , thankyou both. I enjoyed reading your posts. I am aware of how valuable my instructing experience can be in a multi-crew environment. Walter, your post gave me a little lift. I think you understand how i'm feeling. I do put in a huge effort for my students. I think that's why I feel exhausted sometimes. I guess sometimes you just have to say, NO MORE.

Parablues, no offence but, I've been offered instructing jobs where not only don't you get paid, but some made you pay $10 per hour to instruct! I didn't even consider them. It's got nothing to do with making a sacrifice to get ahead in aviation. It's just plain dumb if you ask me. In my job i'm paid from when the engine starts, to when the engine stops. That's all. But I still wash aircraft, vacuum aircraft, teach BAK, PPL and CPL theory, shuffle aircraft around a hangar, all for no pay. I think that's sacrifice enough (also stupid enough). In my opinion, working totally for free is a compromise in safety. How can you operate safely when you're totally pissed off?

maxgrad, I AGREE TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[69s]

BYPASSS

Try and be professional, ya have to take the good with the bad. Instructing teaches YOU to be a very good pilot if as you reckon you give 110% (of wot). MAKE IT A FUN learning experience for the stoodent and yourself, then and only then when you prove yor self, some-one may give you a big jet plane to fly.

[Highbypasss]

I don't want a big jet plane. I just want a wage and a roster.

.....................H.:cool:

[69s]

ok: BYPASS

Reading your last post, in between the lines of course, I feel sorry for you however all young pilots have to go thru the mill. You aired your perhaps anger and frustration (?) and got shot down by those who know better(??????). What is wrong with our industry that this should happen? Take heart stick with it. I did (and wish I sometimes I hadn't). I'm still practicing, approaching a G1-m/e renewal and 17000 hrs. How the hell I ask???????
Beware the professional part time jocks
Was it worth the effort----maybe yes--maybe no
Best wishes :)

[WORKISUPNORTH]

To a dear friend ,

I have known a instructor like this bloke, If only you bloodsucking leaches out there knew this hardworking,honest and dedicated person, not just an instructor.
When students would walk in off the street they inevitably wanted this bloke to teach them, why????

The answer is quite simple he was a real instructor, who always took the time to LISTEN to his students who ultimately went on to do bigger and greater things.

The bloke is in a little rut at the moment and animals out there are condemning the bloke for being honest, hey, how ironic an instructor being honest ......

And before you start jumping down my throat , I am not saying that all instructors are liars or deceitful, but the good guys are becoming more of a relic nowadays.

I truly hope this man gets to where he wants to get as, I know that I tried to convince this man some years ago to stick with it because he had a lot to offer.. He has moved his family from one side of Australia to the other, to keep his dream alive and obviously the G.A. industry is not for him.

As a fellow pilot who has a love/hate relationship with G.A. I encourage people like hybypass to come forward with gripes of the industry because it can only source to helping others. who are to afraid of being assasinated for being truthful

Good on you mate, Be patient and enjoy your journey........

[Luke SkyToddler]

Hey highbypass I feel your pain mate

I used to quite enjoy 'instructing'

- but I miss 'being an instructor' about as much as a cockroach sandwich.

Face it, the vast majority of flying school employers treat their instructors like dogs to be kicked.

All you w@nkers going off at him that he shouldn't be in the business if that's how he feels ... take off your rose tinted spectacles. I bet the whole lot of you are either PPLs with aspirations, or smug old airline pilots preaching from behind the barriers of a big fat pay packet and a couple decades of nostalgia.

Personally I did it for 6 years - never had a complaint, never had a bad reference, never had a student fail on me, still got lots of friends in the business, yadda yadda yadda whoop de doo. Well I can tell you here and now that airline life beats the hell out of instructing and the way I feel right now if I never turn over a piston engine aircraft again it'll be too soon. Maybe I'll feel different about it when I've got my mid life crisis after a couple of decades of flying big plush comfortable airliners ... but I doubt it.

Instructing is a pleasant, enjoyable, fairly paid and glamourous life ... yeah right :ok:

[robair]

I am not sick of instructing I love it but what I am tired of is the conduct of some of my colleges (especially certian senior instructors I have had the miss fortune to meet) and the level of pay. So I might go back to being a truckie, its better pay.

[Aileron Roll]

Highbypass, RIGHT ON !, I hear you !

Nothing like a good bit of Instructor basing, usually from a highly experinced PPL, you know the type "Iv been flying for 34 years and have 325 hours, there's nothing you can tell me"

I have no doubt your Instructing ability is outstanding, your doing a good job, just all the other sh@t you have to put up with. Ensure you take your days off, don't take to heart all the negative stuff, in fact IGNORE IT, these guys will still be playing the same tune when your flying a jet, probley about then they will be telling the next poor Instructor what a great guy and outstanding teacher you were............, and of course all they did to help you out.

[Cypher]

I can recommend those days off. Helps put a different perspective on things, especially after some of those long weeks...

I was surprised last week when my students (cadets) got together and threw me a birthday party... BBQ, Beers and all...
Bl00dy stoked I was... warmed me right up inside.. no wait.. that was the whiskies...

That help put things in perspective too.. :D