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Hot and High
27th Jan 2004, 01:33
If anybody has first hand experience / or knows of someone that has, of flying in the Nigerian/Biafran Civil War 1967-70, I would be very interested in making contact.

Many thanks

David Thomas

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RASTAMIKE
28th Jan 2004, 19:04
have a look at that book:

Shadows
Airlift and Airwar in Biafra and Nigeria 1967-1970
Michael I. Draper
Published by Hikoko Publications

you will find it on amazon.com

A very good book, lots of pictures and archives and says a lot on the humanitarian airlift performed by the Intl Red Cross and the churches

RM

oligoe
29th Jan 2004, 05:56
Hot and High, Check your PMs.

cpt
29th Jan 2004, 18:19
There is also this faboulous book written by Zan ? (not sure of the first name) Zumbar, and called " Mister Brown".....After having fled from Poland during WW2, he became leader of a polish RAF squadron in England...after the war unable to go back to Poland, he did all sorts of (flying) things....including flying B25 in Biafra, T6 in Katanga against NATO....and much more.
I think I died not a very long time ago.

IRISHWINGS
31st Jan 2004, 09:09
Look up Joint Christian Aid (JCA) , Went as Jesus Christ Airlines, Set up by an Irish priest to fly in aid from an island off the coast, First the aircraft were supplied by a texas gun runner, I guess he had his own interests in the war, then they got rid of him, THEY FLEW WW2 bombers and whatever they could get their hands on, Onto a make shift strip , Closed down section of road, put in a beacon , and flew in ever night, A fantastic story.

RASTAMIKE
1st Feb 2004, 03:12
The WW2 bombers were DC4, DC6, DC7 and Stratocruiser freighter conversion called Stratofreighters. The ICRC even flew C-130's and C-160's.
The island was no more than Equatorial Guinea, off the coast of Cameroun, airport there is called Malabo.
The make shift strip was Uli in Biafra breakaway republic. Night flying was common, just to avoid the Mig-17 that would shoot on any aircraft flying in that direction. A Red Cross airplane made dear experience when it left too early and entered the Nigerian airspace at daylight and go shot down by Mig's piloted by mercernaries. The Nigerian Air Force used to bomb Uli on a regular base and surprised more than one aircraft unloading relief goods for the famine victims.
At that time, the media was bit slower to report such things, and finally the public opinion was not the same.

Hot and High
2nd Feb 2004, 01:25
Thank you all for your information, I have had some good luck through Pprune so far and as a result will be contacting a few Pilots that flew during the crisis.

Kennel Keeper
2nd Feb 2004, 02:49
I knew a guy by the name of Bob McIntyre who I think works out of Lanseria now, who flew with some of the guys mentioned in the book. He was a flight engineer on 4's, 6's and Connies. He was last working at Aircraft Sales who might know of his whereabouts.

He told stories of some of the "mercenaries" flying Migs being South Africans and always warning fellow South Africans in the transports of impending attacks to the fields where they were about to land.

Also heard that some of the KLM Connies are still there at Port Harcourt.

Hope this helps.

chimbu warrior
2nd Feb 2004, 14:18
Get hold of "The Cross-Eyed Spitting Cobra" by Noel Vonhoff (Crawford House Publishing 2001 ISBN 1 86333 211 1).

Noel was a mercenary pilot flying Migs in Biafra, and provides a very interesting perspective on the conflict. The remainder of his career was pretty interesting too........................

warp factor
2nd Feb 2004, 18:46
Saw a connie in Biafran Airlift livery in Sao Tome about ten years ago don,t know why,it had been abandoned.

dc8loadie
2nd Feb 2004, 19:51
:D There was a brilliant programme on Discovery channel last week called "Jesus Christ Airlines" all about the aircraft operated on behalf of the church between sao tome and uli. interviews with old crew members (mostly icelandic and scandinavian).will probably be repeated again very soon as is usual with discovery channel.:p :p :p

Baron Von Mildred
5th Feb 2004, 08:46
Two Connies were still at sao tome when I was there a few years ago. Salt damage has to be seen to be believed!

sbthomas
16th Aug 2006, 11:21
Get hold of "The Cross-Eyed Spitting Cobra" by Noel Vonhoff (Crawford House Publishing 2001 ISBN 1 86333 211 1).

Noel was a mercenary pilot flying Migs in Biafra, and provides a very interesting perspective on the conflict. The remainder of his career was pretty interesting too........................

Sadly, Noel passed away at the end of 2005. I have wonderful memories of barbecues at Noel & Nina's house in Cyprus in the mid-70s. They had great super-8 film of their time in Rhodesia et al.

He was a wonderful guy and will be sadly missed.

james ozzie
16th Aug 2006, 19:26
He was a wonderful guy and will be sadly missed.
I am confused - who were the goodies & who were the baddies in this conflict? Migs attacking Red Cross humanitarian airlifts? Genocidal starvation of the Biafrans? Or was that all just press propganda? Maybe they were all bad guys?
Enlighten please!

sbthomas
16th Aug 2006, 21:29
I am confused - who were the goodies & who were the baddies

Why on earth would anyone think that one side were "good" and the other were "bad" in any war/conflict? Sometime's there's a winning side and a losing side which may make it easy for the lazy observer to equate these with so-called "good" and "bad". The truth is that there was evil on both sides.

Most African conflicts have ultimately been about money and thus power - so, James, follow the money and just maybe you'll find your answer.

Please do not assume that mercenaries are satan's spawn - every one of the guys there had their own reasons for signing on. Of course, some of it was money - you could earn a years salary as a Qantas captain in a couple of months. Some of it was more primeval than economic - there is no greater high than surviving a firefight. Maybe Michael Herr had it right in "Despatches" when he said War thrives because young men thrive on war.

War is hell - or at least it should be. Making war more palatable only prolongs the agony and in the western world, makes it easier for old politicians to send young men to war. Generally, in Africa the local warlords have never cared who died or how many suffered so they could feed at the trough. Biafra however had an economic aspect unlike most of Africa's usual power struggles and the suspicion that big business was involved is impossible to disprove.

Rant over - apologies to all. :sad:

prospector
17th Aug 2006, 00:17
I would not consider that post a rant, some very astute observations.

sec 3
17th Aug 2006, 03:25
My father was working for Nordair(CYUL) at that time and took six months off to fly ex-Nordair connies in Biafra out of Sao Tome.He made a cassette tape of one of the missions. After he passed away I asked his wife if she could try and find the tape, unfortunately she couldn't. Too bad, because it was very interesting. Bob McIntyre was also ex-Nordair.

napoleon
17th Aug 2006, 06:45
I think most of them must be long gone the late Jack Wight and Bob Mac told me tales of their epics there.

Challenger-Deep
17th Aug 2006, 10:18
Bob Mac had many stories of the war...unfortunately he has passed away.:( :(

oligoe
17th Aug 2006, 13:28
Hello all,

My Uncle was also there for a few years flying on DC-6 and C-97 for Balair. He still remembers a lot of things, he actually gave up flying just 6 years ago.

og

6-String
17th Aug 2006, 16:04
Very well put bud. Only rookies and dickheads believe that war is about the "good side" vs the "bad side". Oh, and maybe Americans as well... :ok:

james ozzie
19th Aug 2006, 20:08
Very well put bud. Only rookies and dickheads believe that war is about the "good side" vs the "bad side". Oh, and maybe Americans as well... :ok:
Nice one! Good to see the towering intellect out there - everyone gets a chance to show themselves as they really are. Clearly another great Thinker of the Age has just joined the forum! Keep 'em coming, please.
Oh, and tell the friends and families of the Viscount victims that they are "dickheads" for thinking that the perpetrators were bad guys.

galaxy flyer
20th Aug 2006, 00:34
If you believe there are no "good guys" and "bad guys", then speaking German throughout Europe these past 60 years would have been just fine then? We Americans are such naive rookies!! As was Churchill and about 50 million British subjects and thousands of Resistance.

GF

You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in you

--Leon Trotsky

Margarita
20th Aug 2006, 03:21
Yes, you are naive when ever you think like that.

napoleon
20th Aug 2006, 06:03
War favours the rich and the poor get f:mad: d over every time.
Did someone once say "war is the insanity of reason" ?

napoleon
20th Aug 2006, 06:06
war favours not the goddies or the baddies but the rich at the expense of the poor who have got f:mad: d over everytime since the dawn of warfare.
Someone once said that War is the insanity of reason.

ZAZOO
21st Aug 2006, 20:44
Hot and High,

had a thread on this forum regarding these wonderful men and woman about three or four years ago and made a lot of contact with a few of them by PM.

Trying to dig it all up, will let you have it all.

You know I come from not too far from the Ulli Airstrip and its a sight to behold on a free sunday morning.

Hear eres even more on the island of Sao Tome on the atlantic.

Zazoo

Coleman Myers
22nd Aug 2006, 07:41
Read a really in-depth and illustrated book called SHADOWS by Micahel I.Draper about the Biafran crisis key players which included some good tales and pics of Jack Malloch's operation and others. It should be available on AMAZON.COM and is worth a read

Round Engine
24th Aug 2006, 07:37
As a matter of interest, one of the few surviving transport aircraft to have taken part in the said conflict is Douglas DC-6B ser# 45329 ZS-XXX/9Q-CJE, abandoned now to her fate at Air Force Base Swartkops in Pretoria - access is easy and she's in a good pozzy for photos:8 . PM me if you're interested in more info.