pprune

[upperecam]

Time for some serious maintainance. This site is becoming unuseable and very slow to access/use.:eek: :confused: :} :bored: :{ :( :rolleyes: :yuk:

[LME (GOD)]

Maybe the only maintenance needed is on your own PC. I have a dial-up connection and the pages load just fine...time for a trip to PC World maybe???:O

[Evanelpus]

I have to agree with upperecam, the pages are taking a lot longer to load than they use to. Don't think it's my PC, I use the one at work and it's a sooper dooper one.

[GrantT]

Do you even look at the forum your posting in? :rolleyes:

[safetypee]

No it’s not a rumor, Pprune has slowed up during the last few weeks; many more ‘server busy’ messages.
Often slow even at 512 kbps broadband; apparently with 500+ on board. Update required to cope with A380 !

[BUMPFF]

Thanks, MJ. I appreciate your problems and thank you for your efforts to maintain the system.

Q: What's wrong with Internet Explorer? (I'm only semi PC-literate).

[upperecam]

Thanks a million for the info. As for GOD, well just not worth my listing my Porsche of a system for the sake of such an ignorant reply. Grow up Mister or is it Miss?

:D :rolleyes: :} :ok:

[BOAC]

UEC -as PPT has said, a lot of work is going on to upgrade server capacity BUT IT TAKES MONEY. PPrune does not run for free. All mods 'do it for free'. In many ways it is a victim of its own huge success. It does help to avoid the time zones PPT mentioned.

Danny and the team are spending a lot of effort and time overhauling the 'system' and hopefully getting a better capacity.


I've only made a few posts
so I don't feel the need to
order a Personal Title and
help support PPRuNe


This is where every little helps!

[Earl]

On broadband myself with the same problem.
Not only pprune but hotmail too.
Installed Netscape to use for my browser, works much better than Internet explorer.
Not a computer wiz but this worked for me.

[bagpuss lives]

Maybe those here complaining about how slow the site is should stop complaining and do the decent thing by digging into their own pockets and ordering a snazzy personal title? ;)

That'd help lighten the financial load associated with running and maintaining this site for which we all pay absolutely nothing.

[ATC Watcher]

Spot on Niteflite...
by the way what is a " lightweight, tabbed browser ?"
In the ols days we all had Netscape, but now every PC comes with Explorer which seems to be faster. . is there an alternative ?

[BahrainLad]

Safari (http://www.apple.com/safari) is the browser you need if you're running OS X, Opera (http://www.opera.com) or Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org) for any other platform.....

[PPRuNe Pop]

As PPRuNe Towers has said, a lot of effort is being put in to sort the problem. It IS true that PPRuNe is a little slower. I am suffrin the same problem, and it is very frustrating, but do rest assured that the Towers are top of it and I think you will see a big difference sooner rather than later. Takes a helluva a lot of money to keep the site running too. :eek:

Please be patient. Your favourite site will be all better soon! :ok:

As far as IE is concerned, we have stated often enough that a change of browser will be of enormous benefit. I now use Opera and it is good - well better than IE I can assure you.

BTW, my broadband is still opertaing at 576kbps.

[Memetic]

This one:

http://www.ghostzilla.com/

is very good for anyone who needs stealthy PPRuNe viewing at work. :D

It hides the browser in another application such as your word processor and disapears completely with a mouse flick.

[digidave]

I read pprune a lot.
I enjoy pprune a lot.
Slow downloads frustrate me a lot.
I have ordered and paid for a personal title, I've done a little bit to help.

If you have put up nothing to help maintain the site you have no right to complain. Put up or shut up.

Sorry if I sound angry but an awful lot of people on pprune sound like my 13 year old son who seems to think that he has a right to everything he wants.

Danny, Rob and all the Mods:
I have had great fun on pprune for free and I'm more than happy to put up a bit of dosh. Thank you very much!!!
dd

[small_dog]

You can download the netscape browser from the following link. As mentioned before, it is a tabbed browser therefore you can have lots of websites loaded at once. This helps reduce the apparant effect of slow connections etc because when one website is loading or refreshing, you are reading one of the other websites in the browser. I find it great for reading both pprune and my emails at the same time.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp

I have also found it more stable that internet explorer which had a nasty habit of crashing ( particularly when I was writing emails).

[4granted]

www.mozilla.org


I use firebird but the Mozilla is as good...
Thunderbird for email..havent come across anything better for free


:O
4g

[Binoculars]

Couldn't agree more with niteflite01 and digidave. I might mutter to myself when I get the bugga off, too busy signal, but it would take a special cheek to demand something be done about it while contributing nothing.

With that in mind, a special mea culpa, a big thanks to those responsible for the enormous amount of work involved in keeping a site this big running, and a commitment to join the ranks of contributors as soon as I find out how to do it.
:ok:

[bagpuss lives]

Good man / woman binoculars!!!!! :ok:

Now come on - how about the rest of you people who are complaining about the speed of the site digging into those well-filled pockets of yours and contributing something to the great team behind PPRuNe who donate their time and effort for free?

As the Moderators here have said - every little bit helps espeically when it comes to server upgrades and things like T1 internet access.

And you get a nice, unique personal title for your dosh too - how's about that for bang for yer buck? :p

This is a great, well maintained and unique community that we're all lucky to have free and ready access to. It's time to show that little touch of appreciation and help keep the site as smooth as it always has been.

[BlueEagle]

I've used IE6, Netscape7, Opera and Mozilla but the fastest, smallest browser by far that I have found is at http://www.flashpeak.com scroll down the left side to Freeware and you will see the Flashpeak Slim Browser. It has a layout similar to IE but many other useful features too.
As mentioned have given all the above browsers a fair go on a high speed connection and on a 56K modem and so far the Slim Browser beats them all. No, I don't have shares!:D

[PPRuNe Towers]

There's a parallel thread to this running over on the private flying forum which gives more detail and all the background to the problems we're all undeniably facing.

Here at the Towers tonight we're very pleased indeed that we've found a flexible and totally scaleable solution for the long term. This will be a blessed relief from our annual crisis as yet another server shows the strain.

We are absolutely indebted to PPRuNers in the IT industry who responded to my description of the problems we face - an amateur operation with corporate levels of traffic. Their advice and offers of help have given us an entirely new roadmap. This isn't glib praise. Every time we approached the big providers with what we needed they flattened us with quotes which, while competitive in their context, were lottery numbers for us.

Changing tack and going for the huge number of IT specialists who are aviation orientated has totally transformed the situation. If things work out it may well be that IT folks, such as those always available to offer help on this forum, will have utterly transformed this site's performance in the next few weeks.

Meanwhile we cannot strongly enough encourage you to stop browsing with Internet Explorer. If you aren't using a tabbed browser you are wasting most of your time on the site - it's as simple as that.

Please, please heed the excellent advice being offered by others on this thread.

Regards
Rob Lloyd

[Niaga Dessip]

OK, Towers, I've stopped!

and thanks, BahrainLad, for the tip about Safari. I have just downloaded it and it is superb - just the business.:ok:

Cheers to you all,
ND:p

[TheStormyPetrel]

After reading recent threads on IE and others, I've tried Firebird Mozilla. I like it, but the window for composing posts to pprune is smaller, and its size can't be changed. So I guess I'll try some of the others. Tabs are handy, I admit.

By the way Binos, I like your new personalised "Just Binos"

[Binoculars]

OK, while we're on the topic, some advice on running two browsers please? Mrs Binos has taken ten years to get used to IE, no point introducing something new. If I keep IE as the default browser, do I just select the alternative from the Programs list when I want to use Pprune?

Are there any conflicts or any other problems? Does M$ get in a huff if it detects another browser? All info appreciated.

Thanks Stormy . Like yours, concise and unpretentious. I hope. :)

[TheStormyPetrel]

Wow Binos, you've thought of complications I didn't even consider. In my ignorance, I merely downloaded it, installed it and put a shortcut on my desktop and even toolbar, so now I can just choose whichever one I want. If I'm posting, I use IE, just to get more room in the composing box, as mentioned above. If there are complications with having both on then I guess I need to know about them before they catch me out.

[BRL]

Hi Bins. I am using Opera and IE6. I have Opera set to be my default browswer at the moment. IE6 could be it too but I prefer Opera. If you do it, simply place a shortcut on your desktop and click on that when you go online, it is so easy and doesn't cause conflict with the two systems at all. MS doesnt get stroppy at all and there are, so far, no conflicting problems at all. Give it a try, Tabs are brillaint on a site like pprune. :)

[phnuff]

My guess is the thing about IE is that it is a single window rather than a lot of other browsers Opera or Mozilla to name but two, which are free, and which for a single incidence of running, can show more than one page at a time on separate tabbed windows (The approach used to be called a Multiple Document Interface or MDI). What does this mean to the user - well it doesnt make proon any quicker as they are both receiving data from the same place, but it does mean that while waiting for proon to wake up and send you the page, you can look at other sites which are less busy, have bigger engines with more horsepower behind them , or have found better routes to you. This will as the quote says 'mask' the performance by giving you something else to do while waiting.

They are also often more secure than the MS offering

Personally settled on Mozilla
)

[BEagle]

OK - I no speako Geek-speak, so could you please translate "If you aren't using a tabbed browser you are wasting most of your time on the site - it's as simple as that" into everyday idiot's English. WTF is a 'tabbed browser'?

And anyway, what is allegedly wrong with IE6?

[RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike]

BEage.

Responding to your questions in reverse:-
And anyway, what is allegedly wrong with IE6?
The general problem with IE (and MS software genrally) is its appalling security track record... :uhoh: ...and bloat. Their software is often very greedy for system resources and profligate in their use...
WTF is a 'tabbed browser'?
IE opens a whole window for every page. You want to look at two pages, perhaps to refer between them, or, as has been suggested here, to load up a number of slow pages simultaneously, and you get a whole new Window for each. This is a waste of system resources. A "tabbed" browser, like Opera or Mozilla opens one window and allows you to open multiple pages, each one selectable with a "tab" (a bit like workbooks in Excel). This is less resource intensive on your PC and make swapping between pages easier.)

HTH,

/RTFM

[BEagle]

Thanks for the explanation.

However, if I want to look at a couple of different sites and swap between them, I just press the Internet button again and then IE6 the other site, before swapping between them in the taskbar. Haven't ever found that much of a problem - Dell X200 laptop with WinXP Pro and wireless broadband. Good enough for me as a simpleton home user - but not cutting edge PC useage, I guess?