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gulf_slf
9th Jan 2004, 18:19
Absurd!! I dont really want to visit the USA anymore if this the level of thinking that we are now reaching........

US bans long haul lavatory queues
By Paul Marston, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 08/01/2004)


Passengers on transatlantic flights may need to drink less in future following an American security demand that queuing near lavatories should be prohibited.

On Christmas Eve, as the current air terror alert began, the US Transportation Security Administration notified all airlines that passengers should no longer be allowed to "congregate in groups" by toilets on flights into American airspace.

The agency said that aircraft captains should warn travellers of the restriction before take-off, then make reminder announcements.

Flights from Britain to cities on America's west coast can last as long as 12 hours. In the economy cabin, as many as 300 passengers might share six cubicles, virtually guaranteeing queues after a meal or at the end of a film.

British Airways and Virgin Atlantic refused to comment on the American demand. However, it is understood that neither airline feels obliged to implement new procedures unless ordered by the UK Department for Transport.

Last night DfT officials were still considering how to respond to the request.

The Australian carrier, Qantas, said it would adopt the new rule on flights to the US but expected that implementation would "not be a significant issue".

Warren Bennett, the chief executive of Australia's board of airline representatives, criticised the proposal. "On one hand, passengers are advised to move round an aircraft during flights for health reasons. Now they are being told not to congregate. It doesn't make any sense."

The US move is thought to be prompted by fears that terrorists seated in different rows could use the appearance of waiting for the lavatory to assemble before a hijack.

David Kayser, a spokesman for the TSA, which is part of the US Department of Homeland Security, said it would be up to cabin crew to distinguish between passengers "politely waiting" and those gathering in a suspicious manner.








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AirQuake
10th Jan 2004, 07:40
Snakespeer hee saay
"Pi$$ off or not to Pi$$ off
That is the question?"

Perhaps we could have some 'wee bags' in the seat pockets alongside the 'sick bags'?

gulf_slf
10th Jan 2004, 18:27
perhaps they will introduce a 'numbered ticket' system as you have in Sainsbury's for the meat counters.....

or do you put your hand up to request a visit to the loo?....& risking a shot from a trigger happy marshall ................!!!

PAXboy
10th Jan 2004, 21:39
I think the idea of a 'wee' bottle is excellent. We should have this on all flights as I would then probably not need to get out of my seat at all. I have been so disappointed that I have not yet been able to get DVT and this would make it so much easier. :hmm:

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SLF
11th Jan 2004, 04:34
I don't know what there is to worry about here. The flight deck will make any prescribed announcements, and PAX will ignore them as usual.

Until the armed toilet marshalls are required of course ;)

126,7
13th Jan 2004, 17:49
Boy are you going to be embarrassed when the armed toilet marshal catches you with you d..k in your hand:} and you having gone to the loo without your que ticket.

Bumz_Rush
17th Jan 2004, 04:43
Leaving the seat belt sign on all flight, making pax press call button, ( new aircraft to have a toilet Q system ticket machine, iris recognition...to prevent excessive use) and be escorted to toilet. perhaps cutting off the bottom of the door, (just like most american toilets), would also enhance safety, if not the nasal experience.
Thats the way to do it.....yes also perhaps a toilet monitor in each cabin to ensure the seat lid lowered after the use......might as well do the job properly.....what about the paperwork....should I stop now....Bumz

alexb757
17th Jan 2004, 09:36
I think you may have gotten the wrong end of the stick here, boys....

This "rule" is not specific to long-haul flights. It is an FAA Emergency ruling for certain flights going into Washington National, Washington Dulles, Boston, JFK and a few others whereby passengers have to remain seated during the final 30 minutes of flight during the descent. Also, it is intended for the forward lavatories just behind the cockpit door.

As usual, the press has blown up the story to suggest that ALL long haul aircraft passengers inbound to the US are not allowed to use the lavotories as they approach the United States. Not true, but good story!

Bumz_Rush
17th Jan 2004, 14:45
A confrontation between toilet nazi, and rather nice passenger......

Hellooooo is that your night stick in your pocket or or you just pleased to see me in the toilet......

BEagle
17th Jan 2004, 15:41
"If you don't let me go, I'll just pee on the floor. Your choice!"

:mad:

The Doubtful Guest
19th Jan 2004, 05:04
approaching this problem from an atc point of view i would like to suggest:

1. passengers have to apply for a ctot
2. planning flight attendant determines the sequence
3. executive flight attendant issues clearances

could be like that (taken from http://forum.airpics.com/read.php?TID=20258):

"Flight Attendant, 47Alfa with you requesting clearance for toilette 4Bravo"
"47Alfa, Roger, eye contact, please advise estimate time to piss"
"FA, ahh... estimating 10 minutes, I think I can hold 5 minutes more, 47Alfa."
"Copy, please stand-bye"
"37Delta, please confirm vacate toilette 4Bravo."
"Affirm, vacating via-right aisle to seat as cleared"
"49Hotel, you are cleared to piss at 4Bravo, please expedite I have traffic almost overflowing"
"Roger, cleared for 4B, will do it swiftly, no solids foreseen, 49Hotel"
"47Alfa, you cleared to line-up right aisle, facing toilette 4Bravo, maintain visual with traffic passing heading row 37"
"Roger, line-up right aisle facing 4Bravo, I have traffic on sight, seems much relieved, 47Alfa"
"Mayday, mayday, mayday, this is 33Echo with solids turning into liquid, request immediate toilette"
"33Echo, got your mayday, cleared direct toilette 4Bravo, please advise passing row 45 break break 49Hotel, please expedite and confirm status break break 47Alfa, sorry I have to put you on hold, please turn right 1-8-0 degrees and walk to the front of the plane, when reaching the galley turn left and execute a left circuit between galley and wall, beware of traffc on hold 2 rows below"
"FA, 49Hotel has vacated the toilette 4Bravo"
"Roger, 49Hotel cleared for seat and thank you"
"33Echo you are cleared direct to toilette 4Bravo, if you require further assistance please contact regular FAs by ringing the toilette chime. Good luck, sir"
"Roger,... dir.. to....bravo, oh my god"
"33Echo, comm broken, any problem, sir? Please confirm status."
"Well, let's just say the **** already hit my props, and yes, I will need further assistance now, 33Echo" (with a final sigh)"

However procedures concerning separation minima, application of rvsm, final approach speeds, toilet occupation time, missed approaches and holding procedures have to be developed and trained in simulations and real traffic.

There are a lot of things to be considered but if it facilitates safety...

dg ;)

BEST L/CONTROLLER
19th Jan 2004, 21:44
I'M PISSING MY SELF HERE JUST READING THAT HAHAHAHA!

CHEERS!!!!:D