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unmanned transport
25th Dec 2003, 12:54
As measured by numbers of passengers carried (in millions).
April 2002-March 2003).

Source: Airline Reports.


American..........108
Delta................107
United..............69
Southwest.......63
US Airways.......62
Northwest........61
Japan Air Sys....61
Al Nippon..........51
Lufthansa.........44
Air France.........43
Continental......41
British Airways..38

Jordan D
25th Dec 2003, 17:21
How on earth do LH & AF beat BA?

Jordan

mutt
25th Dec 2003, 17:44
Jordan,

Could it be cos they carried more passengers????? :):):)



Mutt.

GOLF-INDIA BRAVO
25th Dec 2003, 19:38
Probably because Lufthansa operates proper schedules from other than Frankfurt ie Munich Dusseldorf whereas BA cannot see past its nose and farms all its non London to Citiexpress which I presume doesn`t show in the figures and in France you have no other choice!

Golf India Bravo

flyblue
25th Dec 2003, 23:22
Or maybe because AF has a big Hub and built a very good alliance worldwide? Ah, seems we' re good too :E

GOLF-INDIA BRAVO
26th Dec 2003, 03:35
In the UK you also Have Virgin and BMI flying large numbers of pax around and of course 1 or 2 low cost operators

Golf India Bravo

chiglet
26th Dec 2003, 05:56
And of course, outsde "London", BAW/BACX [whatever] use Barbie jets on a lot of routes, whereas the "Competition" LH/AF/KL etc use "proper" a/c, you know, A319/320/321s, or B733/4/5/6/7/8 etc or Md80 series
watp,iktch

Jordan D
26th Dec 2003, 06:32
Barbie Jets

Not heard that one before ... what does it mean?

Jordan

West Coast
26th Dec 2003, 11:05
Barbie jet = Regional jet. Also known as replacement jet, revenue jet, furlough jet, etc

The term has less relevence (or slander) as RJs can now be larger than some mainline aircraft. CRJ 900 v early DC9 series.

air pig
26th Dec 2003, 12:06
What do you want quality or quantity ???????

Otterman
26th Dec 2003, 17:33
Always tricky mentioning world biggest airlines. You can measure these things in a lot of different ways, and in the States the carriers swap places depending on how you express them. Same in Europe I would think. You can look at the number of passengers carried, you can look at revenue, you can look at passenger ton kilometers (or miles, if that is your reference), in other words how far do passengers travel with you. Taking one million people from Boston to NY is not as interesting as taking them from NY to Tokyo. You can look at the total transportation picture. In other words include the amount of cargo carried by the carriers. For some of the non-US carriers this can make up to 25% of their total revenues. You can look at profit/loss per carrier, you can look at market share. You can look at the domestic and international travel breakdown. All have their merits, none are definitive.

Remember the old saying: “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

chiglet
26th Dec 2003, 19:07
Barbie Jet,
An Embraer 145, [also known as a "Plastic Jet"]
watp,iktch

mutt
27th Dec 2003, 00:16
Air Pig,

If i was looking for quality i certainly wouldnt look at BA, nor any of the other 11 airlines mentioned above........

Mutt.

HOODED
27th Dec 2003, 03:21
Chiglet and there was me thinking the Emb145 was the "San Paulo Sewer Pipe" great jet though just needs to have those thrust reversers!

unmanned transport
27th Dec 2003, 03:33
Top 12 airlines in Freight Ton Kilometers, (FTKs), (000).

Source: Air Transport World Research.

Period: July 2002-July 2003.


FedEx....................13,195,326
Lufthansa Cargo....7,158,000
UPS........................6,619,424
Korean...................6,247,000
Singapore..............6,075,200
Air France...............4,873,733
Cathay Pacific.........4,854,459
China Airlines..........4,600,112
Japan Airlines..........4,392,118
Cargolux..................4,157,000
British Airways.........4,123,928
KLM..........................3,992,274

Frankfurt_Cowboy
27th Dec 2003, 09:47
So it's agreed then, Lufthansa, best, biggest airline in the world?

unmanned transport
28th Dec 2003, 02:02
LH second biggest in Europe.
AF now #1.

TightSlot
28th Dec 2003, 09:18
LH second biggest in Europe.
AF now #1

Sorry to be boring, but is that why both of these carriers are so massively profitable just now?

Size doesn't count - it's what you do with it that matters!

maxy101
28th Dec 2003, 23:15
Can someone remind me why BA say there is no money in cargo again?

Felix Lighter
29th Dec 2003, 16:37
Cathay No.6 in FTK......... not bad for an airline of only 89 acft.

"There is no money in freight!"

unmanned transport
1st Jan 2004, 06:01
Top 12 airlines by fleet size.

Source: ATW Research.

Reporting period: July 2002 - July2003.

American..........806
United..............557
Delta................548
Northwest........446
Southwest........375
Continental.......358
FedEx................324
US Airways........263
Air France..........253
UPS...................245
Lufthansa..........237
BA......................230