View Full Version : Air Sahara Lands On WRONG runway !!
SmoothCriminal
19th Dec 2003, 00:20
Heard from a source that a CRJ (must've been an ex-kendell from oz) on a trainee flight (whatever that means !!) belonging to Air Sahara in India, did a whole approach and landed on a parallel runway to the one it was cleared to. Apparantly, an Argentenian Instructor on board with a 2nd officer onboard aswell.
One way to remember the Wright Brother day I guess
:) :)
Atleast the good thing is there were no trucks working on the runway and the aircraft can be used again....Any more info anyone ?!?!
Smoothie.........:ok: :ok:
No info yet on that ,and that makes me feel good to know it was not only Jet airways did the landing on the wrong runway many years ago on their first comercial flight and ended up in a militery base!! ........we DO make mistakes :D ;)
SmoothCriminal
19th Dec 2003, 12:42
If you land on a parallel by mistake and end up on the other side for the terminal,,,,,Would you have to ask for a crossing clearance for the active one. Considering you already have a clearance to be on that one anyway ?!?!
Just a innocent query that's all....:p :p
Smoothie..:ok: :ok:
planecrazi
19th Dec 2003, 14:54
SC-Possibly not, ATC would say they are still awaiting a CRJ to land on it before you could cross!:O
Nightrider
25th Dec 2003, 21:40
While the Jet Airways incidident called for a change in the Indian law, no two foreigners are allowed to be alone in the control room of the flying machine anymore..., very shortly afterwards a NEPC F27 with a completely Indian crew at the controls landed on a "parallel" a couple of miles in Hyderabad...Wing Commanders like to stay on military fields and are not happy to convert to civil it appears...
India is very likely to have these incidents continuing...someone needs to look into the reasons as nationalities from all over the world are involved and standard airmanship does not appear to be used at all in any of these events.
no two foreigners are allowed to be alone in the control room of_-the flying machine
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Threre was only one and the rest of your post did not make any meaning and will never make any.
Coimbatore those days only had an NDB (these days it has an DVOR and ILS )
The only VOR was at ooty a few miles off.This VOR had an error of aoorox 8 degrees or more the a/c was a 73 classic without an GPS . LNAV could have landed them on the wrong spot in reduced viz Unlike you I prefer not to blindly criticize.The foreigner was new to the place / operating envoirment and the indian to the aircraft.
KINDLY DO NOT RAKE UP ANYTHING ABOUT FOREIGNERS/LOCALS AS NO SUCH THING EXISTS . IF IT IS ABOUT AN RACIAL ATTACK
BY TELLING LIES /FABRICATING STUFF :D
Nightrider
28th Dec 2003, 06:16
purr, you may better learn your words a little...
The Coimbatore issue was flown with a 737-300, barely to call a classic. Both pilots at the controls were foreigners. And yes, his respectful allmighty Mr. DGCA (Khola) immediately forced the issue of the amendment to be made in any validation to foreign pilots as per my words in the original posting.
The NEPC issue I am talking about was with a F27-500 on a scheduled service into Hyderabad (VOHY) from Madras (Chennai today, which was my homebase as well these days) but the Wing Commander at the controls landed on his former airforce base just a couple of miles away....and the copilot kept his mouth shut until after touch down, at least the voice recorder gave me that clue!
These both pilots were Indian nationals and it happened after the Coimbatore incident.
And then there was the Saudi B747 which was inbound Madras and landed on the very short strip just southwest of VOMM....
And then there is the Juhu incident and .... if I only account for the few years I was in India, it was stunning to hear and see what all is possible.
Your discussion about the Ooty VOT etc...these days there was a NDB approach into Coimbatore which was even offset by a couple of degrees and the VOR was not even mentioned during the whole approach...so what do you mean by that?
And by the way... I do not blindly criticize... I knew the crew on the Jet airways aeroplane very well...we stayed in the same Hotel in BOM (the Sun-n' Sand for your understanding). And the captain of the NEPC aeroplane is very well known to me...Now who is mixing up things here?
Chryse
29th Dec 2003, 12:30
A little while back Jet Airways landed on a taxiway in Goa. These incidents will continue to occur in India, irrespective of the nationality of the crew and the type of aircraft used. To a large extent the number of incidents have been reduced with the installation of ILS's at most of the airports. In addition, now Jepp charts and ATIS display/broadcasts repetitive warnings on the proximity/bearing and distance of airfields with similar direction runways. However, offset inbound radials and substandard reception signals of VOR/DME's and NDB's continue to plague the pilots operating in this environment. When uncertain, the safest bet at these fields is to come overhead and then commence the approach.
Airforce fields, with uni directional runway lighting makes it practically impossible to spot the runway at night except when you are aligned with the runway. Hopefully, you are aligned with the correct runway with only an NDB to crosscheck. Almost all VORDMEs at Airforce fields are installed by civil authorities (AAI) and not the airforce authorities.
Our company requires that either a check flight or an observation flight be initially conducted for all pilots operating to such fields. It helps improve both pilots awareness about airfield peculiarities.
Cheers and Happy New Year.
nightrider
you are wrong I have known for many years the local who was also in the flt.deck
I have no idea about the NEPC or many other cases as you are stating nor have I mentioned it in any of the posts.
And if it interests you the guy flying the sahara plane was an expat.Could have been anybody for all I care .I rather learn than put other people down/show them in poor light.
As I understood in the Sahara case they were doing a NDB approach in restricted viz both the PARELLEL runways had their app lts. ON and they landed on the wrong runway.
The DGCA in India is doing a splendid job.The people there are very commited and open to ideas.
I for one am feeling quiet foolish even getting into this topic.mudslinging sickens me so I am not going to go further into this mess.
I am not Mr Know all sorry wrong number.
CHRYSE
I whole heartedly agree with you .Learning is a better option than criticizing .NDB approach with a satellite field does not appear to be a good combination.It is far safer to 1) come overhead and sight both fields first .2) Also, ask the controller when on finals if has you in sight on finals on the correct strip.
I usually do not missout the call CONFIRM YOU HAVE ME IN SIGHT incase he has not said it first.
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