View Full Version : RYR Go-around @ STN
Buzzdoff
18th Dec 2003, 19:55
Once again the assembled masses watched in horror at the hold points of rwy 23 yesterday morning as they saw an Easyjet enter the runway in front of a landing Ryanair 737.
As this is becoming a regular occurance I wonder if there is some specialised advanced training and are you guys choosey as to who you 'pull out in front of'?
No comment
18th Dec 2003, 20:25
Surely one of the "assembled masses" had an airband in their anorak... ask them
That's why STN needs two runways........... ;) :p
GOLF-INDIA BRAVO
18th Dec 2003, 21:21
What are you saying? was he cleared to line up or did he miss the holding point?
Yes life with two runways is a lot easier as Manchester has found out
Of interest has Stansted still got to go through an enqiry and all the planning requests or can they basically go ahead with the second runway?
According to BBC BAA may well increase runway fees which I guess will hack of the loco`s ( not really Ryanairs day)
Golf India Bravo
FlapsOne
18th Dec 2003, 22:50
Buzzdoff
What's the answer?
Did he have clearance to enter the runway or not?
Hey Buzzdoff, one can appreciate your displeasure but not your sarcasm :( .
Rest assured the event is being investigated and the tapes have been pulled....
Final 3 Greens
19th Dec 2003, 01:28
Gentlemen
What an unseemly debate.
There maybe (ohmigod) journos watching.
What ever happened to the stiff upper lip and 'a non event, just a normal operational procedure executed professionally?' attitude???????
I suggest you let this one drop for a while. There is an investigation being carried out right now so let's not fan the flames on here. You will find out sooner or later what happened.
Big Buddha
19th Dec 2003, 07:48
Are you really trying to sugest that this was done on purpose!! Grow up
burn the mullal
19th Dec 2003, 16:39
GOLF-INDIA BRAVO, I was reading a BAA Circular on the new runway lastnight in our ops room, and it says they still would have to go through the application and developement process to get the new runway approved....!!!!!
I think the circular is readily available in Enterprise House, in the paper boxes as you go in.!!!
Ringo
19th Dec 2003, 17:38
Best thing would be to put Prescott in charge, that way it'll never happen!!
Mistakes happen. Its a fact of life and we are all human. Whats important is nothing came of it. He went around and that is that. I was on a flight recently (light turboprop) and the aircraft was cleared to line up behind a heavy and then told to take off asap as there was a heavy on a 4 mile final. The turbo could not comply due to minimum spacing and had to vacate the runway only just avoiding causing a go around.
Its just a mistake and they happen. Cant be helped but I dont really think its a big deal as long as everyone carried out the required procedures safely then all is good!
What’s all the fuss about? The crew of this flight executed a perfectly normal maneuver, under the circumstances. To the contrary, I’m afraid that the news might have been somewhat more dramatic if, they had not followed their SOP’s! :ok:
timzsta
20th Dec 2003, 03:16
Similar incident this morning. An Easyjet was told to be ready for immediate departure with an Air Berlin 737 on 3 mile final. Easyjet apparently then delayed on the runway and was then had to be told to abort with the Air Berlin being told to go around inside of 1.5 miles. Could have been rather nasty, but ended ok. I was drinking coffee with the Air Berlin crew before the Easyjet got to have another go!
johnpilot
20th Dec 2003, 03:35
The incident this morning timzsta was not the same as the one yesterday. In the RYR case tower cleared Easyjet to line up and wait behind the landing traffic on short final. The easyjet guys repeated the clearance back corectly and then for no apparent reason crossed the red stop bars on to the active runway. RYR did a go around as anyone would have done and Easyjet said sorry. Mistakes do happen to all of us, it could have been the other way around it could have been to easyjets or it could have been two ryanairs. It is realy a non issue as I cannot see anything deliberate about this case.
JP:D
FlapsOne
20th Dec 2003, 03:53
Oh No! A mistake!
Shock, horror!
Bomber Harris
20th Dec 2003, 08:14
As you just said it could of been two ryanairs....or two easyjets. Either way it was two PEOPLE who happened to work for two different airlines at a point in time. Both proffesionals but one made a mistake and procedures are in place to cater for that mistake..... a go around. It was executed safely and everybody knows what happened and will learn from it (ATC enquirey will ensue and report will be distributed).....thats cos we're all proffesionals!!!
I think think this thread is a bit of a no brainer....only scaremongerers, uneducated and journos contribute from now on please...........
liquidgold
20th Dec 2003, 21:23
Well great topic, Easyjet had to initiate a go around because ryanair hit a rabiit on the runway, did ryanair deliberately hit the rabbit to make Easyjet go around????
Bit petty chaps eh?:sad: :sad:
chiglet
21st Dec 2003, 00:45
Hey liquidgold, [pehaps "aptly" named]
Can't see any wabbits, p[r]etty or otherwise
watpiktch
Wing Commander Fowler
21st Dec 2003, 04:53
Great first post Buzzdoff........ out of interest where you hiding now???
:suspect:
capt.magoo
22nd Dec 2003, 21:59
come on boys & girls knockit on the head
it was the towers fault early in the morning,s**t happens thats why we go around ??????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIG FAT DEAL
TheMolis
23rd Dec 2003, 21:18
Yes, we start taxi at 07.20 and takeoff at 07.53. We were holding on sequence for 25 minutes when a 737 of easy was cleared to line up and wait BEHAIND a landing 737 on short final. The easy copilot read out the message correctly, telling "BEHAIND the landing traffic line up and wait". At the same time he was speaking, the 737 starts to move, slowly, and cross the red bars who were on at this moment! (my captain fail to have a heart attack loocking that...)
STN tower says:" FR... go around, I REPEAT, FR... go around!"
"easy! you were ask to wait until the FR land.... etc..."
The easy Captain says:" I´m sorry; my mistake."
We all can do a mistakes, but this one is so extrange because the F/O collationate the STN message correctly, so even if the Captain was doing PA adress or talking on other freq. I can´t understand why the F/O don´t stop the aircraft inmediatly...
The result was the go-around of the 737-200 of FR. They land 8 minutes later, just before our takeoff.
FlapsOne
23rd Dec 2003, 21:34
So there it is!
A mistake, acknowleged, and followed by a go around.
Hardly headline stuff I think.
rodan
24th Dec 2003, 06:41
capt.magoo said:
come on boys & girls knockit on the head
it was the towers fault early in the morning,s**t happens thats why we go around
Someone who was there said:
The easy Captain says:" I´m sorry; my mistake."
Why don't YOU knock it on the head? Sounds like it had ****** all to do with the tower.
Go Around
25th Dec 2003, 22:15
Captain Magoo, if you weren't there don't post a comment to make others think you know what you are talking about....
We go out of STN regularly at that time and it's often like the start of Le Mans.......
Pretty quiet today though.
HAPPY CHRISTMAS !