Government White Paper

[egnxema]

The White Paper is due to be announced today. Reports in the news already about the London results.

Anyone know where we can get info on all the regional results?

egnx

[Cyrano]

Try this: DFT site - Aviation White Paper (http://www.dft.gov.uk/aviation/whitepaper/)

[egnxema]

This from the BBC

30-YEAR PLAN
New runway at Stansted "as soon as possible"
New runway and possible sixth terminal at Heathrow between 2015 and 2020
Environmental conditions imposed on Heathrow's expansion
No new runway at Gatwick until after 2019 - and then only if Heathrow conditions not met
New runway at Birmingham
Possible new runway at Edinburgh by 2020
Possible runway extensions at Aberdeen and Inverness
No new Midlands airport, East Midlands to expand without new runway
Extra terminal and runway extension at Bristol
Proposed new airport at Cliffe, Kent abandoned
No expansion of Luton Airport
Extra terminal capacity at Manchester and Liverpool Lennon
Expanded terminal and runway at Newcastle
Capacity to increase at Cardiff but no new south-east Wales airport

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Re Manchester

I think the terminal expansion is needed now! not later, just look at terminal 2 in morning and it is like trying to squeeze a quart into a pint pot parking wise and terminal 3 is the same

Out of interest what is going to be the max runway use for both runways now that the neccessary exprience has been as been reached ( I presume that level has been achieved)

Golf India Bravo

[Powerjet1]

Re Luton

In A D's speech, he stated ' development to maximun use of a FULL LENGTH single runway at Luton. Does that really mean that Luton's existing runway could be extended, on existing allignment, to say 2500m or 3000m or are we stuck with the current length and all future growth must be accommodated within that facility.

[WHBM]

The Government white paper has failed to understand many basics about the industry. So no change there.

Although there are 3 main airports around London they have developed by specialising in different market sectors. Trunk scheduled services, and connecting traffic, at Heathrow; Leisure and Heathrow overflow at Gatwick; Low-fare European operators at Stansted. So favouring one airport over another favours that particular style of service over the others.

Government has not noticed this and thinks all three are general service airports that can shift traffic around betwee them.

The stuff about moving traffic to the regions is nonsense. All the regional airports have capacity for extra traffic already. Services are not provided because the passengers do not wish to use them in economic quantities. Goodness, the airlines have tried over the years, look at the litany of failed long and short haul routes from the provinces.

Long haul passengers want to use Heathrow. All long haul services attempted from Stansted have failed. The ones at Gatwick are there under sufferance. If the slots were available at Heathrow they would all walk out tomorrow.

[LGS6753]

Powerjet -

I take it that LTN will obtain permission for a runway extension and additional terminal capacity as required, up to a 30m pax ceiling.
The runway will either be an extension, or a new-build on the current heading, 200m south, using the current one as a taxiway and increasing the size of the central terminal area.

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

I don`t agree that there is no market for the regions on long haul
look at Manchester, Emirates double daily(going upto bigger aircraft and of course Birmingham soon to be double daily) SIA and Malasian both go non stop with very good loads
plenty of flights to the USA not forgetting PIA with their ethnic
flights from Manchester and Birmingham.
If we actually looked who travelled to London on most of the shuttle flights etc i`m sure that the demand is there for places like South Africa, West coast of America, Australia and Hong Kong

Manchester used to have Qantas and Cathay , both only stopped because BA put pressure on them to put the traffic through London

Golf India Bravo