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phillis grimble
26th Oct 2003, 04:37
Any truth in the nasty rumour that easyjet sometimes refuse to give references for the issue of security passes for persons who have left the orange airline for pastures a little less stressfull.
This obviously then stops the applicant getting a security pass and therefore the job! Any info would be helpful

B757RATED
26th Oct 2003, 15:51
I cannot comment about easyJet. However, a friend of mine had this problem a few years ago with another UK company.

The Ops Director had a recruitment and retention problem. He sought to stem the flow by making it particularly difficult for the guy (an experienced Captain) to leave. Part of the bad practice involved was not actioning the request by the pilots next employer for a security reference. It did not, ultimately, prevent the issue of a pass or compromise employment. However, the pilot concerned suffered an awful lot of stress and angst as a result.

There are some decent employers out there. Unfortunately there are also some pretty bad hats who occasionally pop out from under their flat stones to play this kind of trick.

Obviously you are better off not working for such an employer - at least until they mend their ways.

phillis grimble
27th Oct 2003, 06:36
Thankyou for the information. As a lawyer this thorny subject has landed on my desk and some more anecdotal evidence would be very helpful so that a trend might be identified. I was always under the impression that aviation professionals were above such antics but one obviously lives and learns! Any more comments would be gratefully received

B757RATED
29th Oct 2003, 06:47
phillis grimble, I cannot comment from personal experience how these problems with security pass references are actually resolved. I can discuss the issues however from the experience of colleagues and friends.

When a pilot joins a new employer a request is sent out to the previous airline for a statement that they consider the individual fit to work airside. What seems to happen is that the airline simply fails to acknowledge the request. Chasing letters and 'phone calls are made to no avail. The pilot is then faced with explaining to his new employer that his previous Boss is inclined to be tricky when pilots leave. The issue here is pilot retention. This could be really tricky for an airline that is trying to expand rapidly for example. Equally the airline might be worried about poaching of pilots by a rival.

The pilots new employer might understand the local issues and find a way of resolving the problem, perhaps with other documentary evidence of employment. Equally the new employer might be concerned that the lack of a reference for the pass hides some other employment issue. Either way is a difficult and stressful issues for the pilot to live through.

Shut one door and another one slams in your face. What next.

I remember one Ops Director (now thankfully retired) who refused to supply a reference unless a form was provided by the new airline for him to fill in. He new full well that the airline in question did not supply 'forms' but simply asked for a letter of recommendation. Duplicitous behaviour to say the least. However, the Ops Director concerned was a known tricky character so the problem was easily overcome.

Obviously, it behoves the pilot to leave on the best possible terms. However . . . In an employers market these problems are more prevalent.

My view? A dreadful way to treat people. There is little to prevent it.

Hope you sort things out for your client.

phillis grimble
2nd Nov 2003, 03:26
Many thanks B757rated I'm astonished that these archaic management practices are still in operation in this day and age . Possibly a court case which established new case law might be needed to frighten these companies into the present.