Interviews

[yomuddar]

First try at PPruNe and going to moan straight away!

I know some of you might not like some of my views..... but you may appreciate certain things in this thread!!

Some might say I dont deserve a reply from companies,
but at least i stand by my views and am qualified to a certain level......(PPL/FAA/WB licences + more... some company paid for some i've done myself)


Why do some prospective employers invite you for an interview, ..... out of your own time, you go along in good faith and yes not always do your best, coming from holland (English not being my mother tongue) but not get a reply

I will name names,

ANA
ETIHAD, anyone heard of them yet?.....
GULF
EASYJET
DNATA....you are the worst..... oooooo you've got the job we will just drag it out for six months and expect you to put your lives on hold for 6 months and then send you a dodgy email(EXTRNAL HOLD LETTER) and not reply to your emails. LUCKY ME!!!!

unfair t/c's for i'view(ie get out here in two days/do a stupid medical in a week) and jobs???

come on HR Depts..... get ahold of yourselves, if we spend time out of our schedules the least you could do is reply, or at least say "only suucesful candidates will be contacted"


If my english is bad pls excuse
but HR recruitment people stay out of it.... You have no business in ops, you know nothing about what the job entails that is why certain depts are in as bad a state as they are!!!!!!!!.... Stay recruitng PSA's or ramp rats thats what your good at, if not go back to university!!!

The only decent posts i've held or been interviewed for didn't include anyone from HR!!! I've learn't more in a 1 on 1 interview witha single experienced ops manager than you could ever teach me with your scripted questions, for example:

"When have you experienced conflict"
"When have you given good customer service"
"when have you worked as a team"
"how do you work under pressure"

EVERY DAY!!!!....

Work in such a dept for a major airline then you may experience such demands that are expected of you!!!!!

Sometimes I get to the final i/view sometimes i don't even get that far and sometimes i get offered a job, but a "dear john" is at least that, at least you were recognised, i mean an email to say no thanks, how long can that take???

I dont wanna sound hard done by all I expected is a bit of common courtesy!!!!

SORT IT OUT!!!!

I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY OF YOU WHO HAVE GONE THRU THE SAME WASTE OF TIME I/VIEWS - TIME TO STAMP IT OUT!!

Yomuddar

[bacardi walla]

Have you tried RYANAIR ? You could always pay your way in - or is that cabin crew only ?:E

[Captain Slogg]

I would add Channel Express and Harrods Aviation to the list too.
I applied to them over two months ago and didnt hear a word, not so much as a thanks-no thanks.
Even if I was considered unsuitable I would consider it basic good manners and business practice to at least have the common decency to respond.
I am not even talking about the price of a stamp either as I included my e mail address.
If this is how they run their businesses then it is us that are the fortunate ones not to be working for them.
I wonder if they would also fail to respond if I was a cargo agent or Gulftsream owner trying to do some business with them?

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There are some Airlines out there who have on their web sites forms for you to fill in electronically and they do not acknowledge when received.I have filled many of these forms and they seem to be useless.
Even backing the above with a letter and still nothing.The sending of e-mails also seems to be a waste of time.It beats me how they get staff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yomudda,

I've got one for you, what about companies who advertise the same postions every 6 months.....

EVA - cargo traffic
NAVTECH - ops control
SAUDI - FOO's
CHANNEX - any job

Tell ya what improve the terms and conditions and maybe people wont leave so often OR employ the right people in the first place instead of the ones who pulled the wool over your eyes in the interview!

Red!:mad:

[OO-AOG]

I've noticed that as well. Strangely enough, I sometime get replies with a single question "What's your current salary?", and obviously it must be higher than average as my reply stops any further communication with them. :confused:
And about the EmiratesCareer website, I never had any answer from them, even not an ack that my CV has been reviewed. Waste of time.

[bladums]

What about experience???? oh only experienced people need apply............Fair enough! but how can a dude get experience if no one ever trains them?????

Maybe you could look at the rest of the CV i have spent ages lovingly preparing and see how much other experience i have, then pay me less and train me up the way you want me to operate! Instead of taking a kiss ass at the interview who infact wants only to be a pilot and jumps ship at the very next opportunity! and alas you have to advertise ONCE again.

Oh yeah and while we are at it.........the famous interview statement...........Im a little concerned that you may not have enough experience!!!! then why invite me along to the poxy interview in the first place??? i sure as hell dont like being interviewed. You have my CV so its all there in front of ya in black and white! (start wondering how he got the job)



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Can I start by saying it is obviously good manners to reply to any individual that takes the time to prepare a CV and send it in and all companies should do their best to do so. But in some the volume of work really does affect the ability of the recruiting staff to reply in orderly fashion, as much as they know they should. This is particularly true in some low cost operations where staff are already hard pressed and HR support is limited. Recruiting the right people for the job vacancy is actually a difficult thing to do
(at least to do well), as anyone who has had to recruit and manage will tell you.

The Company that spares you the interview based on your present (higher) salary is doing you a favour, few move for less.

Bladums, on your point about experience and CV's. CV's usually only get you through the door for a look-see and if you but knew it often only the first half page is read when a job has been over subscribed and there is a mass of applicants. The interview is what confirms your level of experience in the minds of the interviewer. And of course experience usually amounts to only half of job requirement, 'will he/she fit in, can he/she do the job', (in that order), you have to answer yes to both questions before hiring someone. Your point about training as we discussed on another post is valid, but again there is, to my mind anyway, no better case for hiring somebody than if they have been self motivated enough to get out there and obtain an airline flt ops qualification such as the ICAO or FAA licences. This sets a baseline for anyone who is taking care in trying to find the right person. It’s not a guarantee of course, but it’s a very strong point in your favour.

Can I say also, don't malign those wannabe pilots who route through ops, they often pay their dues in ops and do it well. The same rule of self motivation applies. If someone has had the get up and go to do a frozen ATPL with 150 hours or so under their belt and are working their way up to a flying job through airlines ops, then good on them. I've hired many and almost to a man they have proven to the best of ops officers- and they take that knowledge with them to the flight deck for the future.

If you really want to work for a Company then you may need to press and dare I say pester them. Enthusiasm goes a long way and I would say, in this day and age, the courtesy that was once shown to prospective employees is on the way out, or at least with internet applications etc., its getting less much less personal. Not to mention the volume of applications probably triples on the web versus by post so it's alot of work for companies to sort out. In fact, I'd question the use of internet applications for that reason alone.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I've been both sides of that table, and although I agree with all the points above it's worth making a few points about the role of a recruiter.

I'm a specialist, so if I'm recruiting I try to cut HR out as much as possible because I don't believe that the simple checklists beloved of HR departments are suitable for assessing technical specialists - I'm sure they're fine for typists, filing clerks or some categories of pilot but I want to find out if candidate XXXX has a fighting chance of analysing the failure loads of a cantilever wing, or whatever happens to be the particular role. In that context, I expect candiates to...

(1) Have found out about my organisation - and tailor their CV accordingly.
(2) Identify their real achievements, not give me wishy-washy cows excrement about "a talented quick learner capable of..." (file in recycling).

Frankly anybody who has failed to bother with (1) and (2) and simply sent me a standard letter and untailored CV hasn't earned the courtesy of a reply.


Now to the other side of the table...

If somebody has taken this trouble, of-course they deserve a reply. They also deserve...

- Recruiters taking the trouble to read properly experience and qualifications and check their meaning. All candidates are individuals and they may well be able to do a job without meeting a rigid ticksheet.
- A prompt and polite reply.
- When you've said applicants will be responded to by a given date, do so.
- Not changing the job spec AFTER advertising for the job.

And whilst I'm at it, if somebody's applying for a job, they also deserve as early as possible honest information about the salary on offer, and enough information to allow them to prepare properly for an interview. I really detest "recruitment consultants" who won't actually tell you who the job is with, or the precise role until the interview.


Thanks for the opportunity for a rant, I enjoyed that !

G