View Full Version : Air Nelson getting new planes?!
1279shp
25th Sep 2003, 07:10
From NZ Herald this morn..
Air Nelson planes under review
Air New Zealand is considering whether to replace the fleet of its subsidiary Air Nelson.
It said a time frame for replacing the 16 Saab aircraft had yet to be set.
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Now will they go bigger, or to regional jets?
Blue Line
25th Sep 2003, 10:30
Mmmm would be good if they did go RJ's
they don't go to many short runways anymore
how much runway does a RJ require, cause nelson would proberly be the shortest runway
splatgothebugs
25th Sep 2003, 12:13
It would make sense if they went to an ATR 42 and just merged with mount cook, comm of fleet and all the rest of it.
1279shp
25th Sep 2003, 12:24
NR and NP are 1310m, NS 1347.
Though Saabs do use NR 25 in a howling westerly - kind of like today!! - 600m seal, 619m unpaved.
splatgothebugs
25th Sep 2003, 12:34
A little like today, yeah got to love 55kts on the ground.
I personally don't think NZ will ever see the days where RJ will be common place. Just a few to many if's and buts about how they would perform and certain rwys. Would be bloody nice to see though
splat.
Vmo248
25th Sep 2003, 12:47
Splat,
A CRJ-200 uses about the same runway length as you use to get that bent propped "Indian President" you fly, off the deck?! :D
The NZ media is an embarrassment. Either they imitate a two day old ham sandwich thats been sitting in one of the pie warmer's found glorifying an otherwise bare regional airport cafe or they pretend to be an atomic cloud.
A/C don't last forever; of course a fleet replacement is being considered.
Give the reporter a raise.
Sqwark2000
25th Sep 2003, 16:09
Yep, a howling westerly in NR today, but 25/07 was closed for a period when one of the SAAB's ran off the sealed section of 25 onto the grass and sank up to the wheel hubs. :uhoh:
X-winds reported up to 43kts at NR and was observed to be 60kts at HS for a short burst.
S2K
chicken6
25th Sep 2003, 16:24
Obviously blowing too much for 16/34, but not hard enough for 25! I thought that was why they put that amount of tarmac down?
1279shp - was that the whole article? Didn't say who it came from? I've got a friend in NS who seems to think a fleet replacement's still about ten years away. It doesn't really make sense to be talking about it now with another two Saabs on the way.
Vmo248
25th Sep 2003, 17:08
Went for SAR for story.. here's link. Yep, like the insurance company - State, the obvious. :=
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storysend.cfm?storyID=3525322
BCF Breath
25th Sep 2003, 18:48
Hmmm,
25 in a crosswind in NR. No probs there. Providing that the grass is dry.
More like 5 (not 10) years for a replacement.
Given one of the Captns at NR, 25, will be a normal approach with reference to conditions.
SF 340 can operate up to 60 kts gust factor.
NSN have been looking at new A/C for a while now.
I see that they are trialing noise cxl headsets at the moment.
And that a new Line Ops Manager has been appointed.
Eurocap
26th Sep 2003, 13:28
An F/O LIne Ops Mgr, just like NM. Must be a new Link philosophy.
Keep the office costs down.
max rate
27th Sep 2003, 05:03
Or they selected a F/O who has a progressive, fresh approach, unlike some crusty old entrenched captains who should know when it's time to hang up the goggles.:8
TAY 611
27th Sep 2003, 06:13
I suspect that alot of ANS's routes are bit too short for a 50 seat jet and I also suspect that those who drive the books would be loving the ATR's (if they can keep em flying). Good fun for the boys though.
I wouldn't knock the new guy.
He was about to get a command anyway with NSN and was flying for blue circle (RNZAF) airlines prior. With a stint as OC of a transport Sqn.
I think he's done his time and maybe it's a positive to have a recent F/O there. At least he'll know the problems!
So I wouldn't like to think he'd accept being pushed anyway by management.
RJ's. Keep dreaming. Sector length too short!
42's, maybe.
72's, possibly. (and two F/A's!)
D 328's.! Now we're talking! Or is that dreaming?
splatgothebugs
27th Sep 2003, 17:22
CT7,
I would have thought that a 72 would have to much capacity for some of the routes that NSN do?
On the other hand, get 72's and give the extra routes to EAG so they can get some more aircraft as well. :)
BCF Breath
28th Sep 2003, 08:40
I can see where CT 7 is coming from.
A few of the US regionals have parked their 42's in favour of fewer pax on the 72. And the parts aren't that common between the two types.
Why? Who knows. Typical Euro's..
The operating costs aren't that much more for the 72.