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mackey
24th Sep 2003, 05:51
I don't know if anyone has posted this before,

But do the caa realise that the only supersonic passenger airliner (concorde!) is going out of service next month?

Does this mean that all the supersonic crap we have to learn about in class is something we don't have to learn about anymore?

It would be a damn good chapter to get rid of because it will be as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!

I might be wrong!!

M.

redsnail
24th Sep 2003, 14:30
This is true however you'll find that you'll still need to understand trans and supersonic flow to work out why swept wings are good, delayed Mcrit is good, certain shaped aerofoils are good. I think you get my drift.
JAR had a great opportunity to make the ATPL subjects relevant. They didn't. Why else do we study Loran etc?

Personally, all a pilot really needs to know is how to fill in leave forms and allowance claim forms. :E

jungly
26th Sep 2003, 01:30
Oh please no! Please tell me Loran & Omega etc are not in JAR? What about morse?

High Speed Flight is all very good stuff though. I knowledge of Mcrit (how, when and probably most importantly where shockwaves occurs first), all moving tailplanes (why & what to do if they fail to trim), supercritical wings and coffin corner etc are, in my opinion, v useful background subjects.
NB: Its very hard to explain why delaying Mcrit is important without explaining what it is and how it is formed.

Unfortunately the best understanding is to get in a subsonic military jet trainer (JP etc) and feel it, watch the porposing etc, and recover.

I agree with RS's sentiments though..... its not the academics that are important its the understanding and application. Sometimes knowing what not to learn is the best study you can do. eg: If they're teaching why above M2 that short, stubby square wings (Starfighter) become the most efficient....then they are missing the point.

Of course if youre being sentimental about Concordes imminent departure..........I concur entirely! Speaking of which,..... when exactly is the last harrah?

mad_jock
26th Sep 2003, 03:51
They are but there are only 3 questions which everyone knows about.

Morse thankfullly is not in the JAR exam set.

But the more that I fly IFR the more I wish it was.

MJ

no sponsor
26th Sep 2003, 04:36
Last scheduled commercial flight for BA is Friday 24th October. I have heard that there are other 'farewell' flights, in addition to the final positioning flights for each of the seven aircraft now left.

A sad premature end. The following picture says it all...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/388080/M/

BEagle
26th Sep 2003, 05:01
Words fail me. Another 737/320 wannabee who just wants to get a tick in the exam box and would love the syllabus to be easier. No real interest in a thorough understanding of transonic aerodynamics, just a minimum effort 'learn and forget' philosophy so prevalent amongst the bone idle youngsters of today.....

Oh for the days when people were prepared to put in some effort...

razzele
30th Sep 2003, 08:30
I totally agree with the previous post. I am also a currunt ATPL student. My knowledge is very minimal in the grand scale of things. However i can see that the knowledge contained in the JAR course must be simply the basics of day to day commercial flight.

I study with a group of people who everyday say stuff along the lines of those JAA b--tards why do they want us to learn this ___T!

i see it that not only d we need to do this to get in the gang, but also it will form a foundation for the knowledge that commercial pilots rely upon to fly safe.

less talking and more studying from now on,


PS// no i am not a geek!! but at the minute i do have only 14 square paper friends!!