Pacific Blue pay

[BundyBlack]

For the benefit of interested pilots:

Rishworth is offering $NZ 96k for a Captain, with $5k or $10k (they hadn't decided a week ago) "Training Allowance", $NZ 4 per duty hour and overtime payment of $110/hr for every hour over 70 flown per month. These details were verbally given over the telephone. These figures may not be the exact ones in the final contract, as that will not be made available for another month or so (stated by the Rishworth representative).

Interesting......

[Wirraway]

Tues "The Australian"

Kiwis man Qantas flights
By Geoff Easdown
September 16, 2003

QANTAS has launched tough new measures to cut its New Zealand losses by hiring kiwi pilots and cabin crews to fly the Tasman.

The move is believed to be saving Qantas tens of thousands of dollars on pay rates otherwise paid to crews based in Australia.

The kiwis fly Qantas jets and wear the corporate uniform and fly separate daily services to Australia from Wellington and Christchurch.

Qantas yesterday confirmed the workers were recruited under NZ labour hire agreements and were employed by its NZ subsidiary, JetConnect.

JetConnect is a Qantas-owned but NZ-registered company that holds and maintains the airline's NZ Air Operations Certificate.

The company exists only on paper to comply with NZ law relating to airlines operating domestic services.

Before the new crews were recruited, JetConnect had 200 pilots and cabin crew flying domestic services for Qantas.

The new kiwi-manned flights, introduced on September 1, were foreshadowed by Qantas rivals during last month's NZ Commerce Commission hearings into the proposed alliance between Qantas and Air NZ.

The move comes amid an already announced push by the Australian carrier to slash costs and employ up to a quarter of its workforce as casuals.

The Transport Workers' Union, one of 10 unions covering 39,900 Qantas employees, has agreed to the deal which is to be put to members this week.

An Australian-based Qantas pilot said last night the recruiting of NZ personnel had caused "much discontent".

The pilot said his 14 kiwi counterparts earned about $110,000 a year - as much as $50,000 below the pay rates of similarly qualified Australians.

Qantas yesterday confirmed it had hired 14 pilots and 25 cabin crew.

"They are NZ-based and begin and end their flights each day in NZ," a Qantas spokesman said.

The spokesman said the appointments helped save meals and accommodation costs which would have to be paid to Australians.

The new staff fly 22 of the 112 trans-Tasman flights Qantas operates each week between both countries.

By recruiting the NZ crews, Qantas has followed up threats by CEO Geoff Dixon to become an aggressive player in NZ if its proposed alliance with Air NZ was blocked by corporate regulators.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission last week denied Qantas and Air NZ their joint application to merge trans-Tasman services.

The only hope the carriers have of resurrecting their proposal rests with a reversal of regulatory policy by the NZ Commerce Commission later this month and a successful appeal to the Australian Competition Tribunal.

Qantas shares yesterday fell 2c to $3.29.

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[tightcannon]

So follow me here

Lets say 90 hrs a month and 150 duty hours a month at current exchange rate 0f 1.1354

Therefore Per annum

Say salary 106,000
traning 10,000
240 OT 26,400
Duty 7,200

total $149,600 NZ = $110,500 Aust
So if I am correct thats about $20,000 less than a VB oz Captain.
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[BundyBlack]

tightcannon

The base salary is $NZ 96k, not $106k, and check your final conversion.

I think the final number would be about $NZ 123k.
The current BASE for a VB Capt is just over $AU 122k.

Cheers...

[halas]

Which side of the ditch pays the most out in tax?

There is the main difference

halas

[tightcannon]

Thanks Bundy.
Then we add the 12,000 allowances and the 15,000 retention payment of VB oz crew and the gulf gets wider.

[Split Flap]

Pretty Sad,

Even sadder is the fact that people are going to be crawling over each other to get in there to work for Fcuk all.

Think I'll wait till the rush is over.

[Torres]

May see some "reverse migration" as Ozzie wannabe airline crews move to Enzud to work? :}

[Pimp Daddy]

Ok - going on those figures from BundyBlack and adding tightcannon's allowances & bonus:

Pacific Blue: NZ$123k = NZ$39240 tax = NZ$83760 net = AUD$73964 net

Virgin Blue: AUD$149k = AUD$59280 tax = AUD$89720 net

$16k net pa difference in Australian dollars, but in real spending dollar terms given earning and living in NZ maybe not as big a gap - especially after some of the lovely aussie extras like car rego prices, stamp duty, insurances are taken into account.

[Gnadenburg]

Tightcannon

Why do so many Virgin pilots add their allowances to their annual salary? It is irrelevant!! Don't you think Pacific Blue crew will get allowances too? Though knowing your boss perhaps food vouchers on the cards!

So in the future don't add your allowances, your legally compulsory superannuation payments nor the box of crap reds Branson gives you at Xmas to try and crawl back up to the former levels of payment to professional pilots in Australia.

Your pay is crap and in most peoples eyes it is not a reflection of your professionalism.

You seem a little jaded and almost naive that Godfrey The Sodomiser is betraying your loyalty and using NZ crews against you.

The NZ crews are paid a little less than you, the playground scab concept, and you may get the same feelings that QF crews have had since you have been flying for about half of their equivalent conditions.

[VB_Capt]

Let`s not forget who is really responsible for dragging down airline pilots salaries in Oz. It`s none otjher than the chief pilot, and 89er and guardiuan of all that is right in aviation and the integrity of those in aviation.
I`m not bitching though. Im here by choice and intend staying in spite of the short comings.
Just dont forget who it was tho!
Gnadenburg, I agree. Allowances are irrelevant. They are to be spent. Super is just as irrelevant.

[EPIRB]

Are the Pacific Blue crew going to get paid superannuation or will it be like Jetconnect - pay your own?

[T53C]

Pilots are their own worst enemies. I bet that there wont be any shortage of applicants knocking on the door to get on the jet, even if it means moving across the pond for very little moola. :ugh:

[#1AHRS]

I think that there is allready a thread here about lowering pilot conditions..:bored:

[tutai]

As A Kiwi 737ng driver oversea's who is looking to return home, the only way conditions will ever get better is if everyone sits back and stay's together. Now is not the time to move!!

[LooseConnection]

tutau - as far as whe're concerned here the "West Isle" is overseas for you lot so the sooner you all go home the better.

Now you've got an outfit which compliments "The Shakey Isles" go join it. :E

[B772]

Tutai, I wish you luck, there are pilots in the U.S who will fly now just for food.

AA has just announced they are dropping another 57 aircraft and an unspecified number of crew.