View Full Version : New York for EDI?
Joe Curry
8th Sep 2003, 16:34
Expect an announcement at the 'Routes' conference.
At Last! (http://www.business.scotsman.com/paperboy.cfm?id=988082003)
sparkymarky
8th Sep 2003, 17:24
I sincerely hope so. It would be good news for all of Scotland.
Let's hope ZOOM decide to stay with Scotland too!
MEFLYBE
8th Sep 2003, 18:58
Which airline?
I would expect Continental to Newark with 752?
Maybe Bmi to JFK with 332?
Regards
Mike
GustyOrange
8th Sep 2003, 19:52
Brilliant,
I hope we are paying massive susbidies for another of the executives pet schemes.
Gusty
Bezi l
8th Sep 2003, 20:42
inkjet - meflybe technically correct... bmi have 3 A330-200's which have the IATA standard aircraft code of 332
bl ;)
Confirmed Must Ride
8th Sep 2003, 20:47
It is CO 757-200 starting next summer, daily
AerSligo
8th Sep 2003, 21:55
Yup...showing a CO 752 on all GDS now...
ajamieson
8th Sep 2003, 23:00
Thank you, Mr Curry. Just remember where you read it first ;)
Joe Curry
8th Sep 2003, 23:24
>>Thank you, Mr Curry. Just remember where you read it first<<
I read The Scotsman every day.:ok: The newspaper that has
the finger on Scotland's pulse. :D
ajamieson
8th Sep 2003, 23:40
The newspaper that has the finger on Scotland's pulse.
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far...;) :hmm:
Jordan D
8th Sep 2003, 23:49
Maybe this will lead to an expansion at EDI?
Jordan
ajamieson
9th Sep 2003, 00:15
Or just more congestion around the gate areas ;)
Anyone involved with EDI knows full well the problems with operating larger aircraft there; it could well have been that COA got the go-ahead because they'll use a 752, which can be handled at EDI without too much trouble.
Anyone wanting to use an A332 (or something similar) for a daily service at anything other than the quietest time of day would cause chaos!
And it doesn't surprise me at all that Joe reads the Scotsman; in fact it wouldn't surprise me if Joe was the bloke that called the Evening News every time I had a go-around!!
ajamieson
9th Sep 2003, 01:28
...could be that COA got the go-ahead because they'll use a 752, which can be handled at EDI without too much trouble...
That is exactly what happened, whereas EWR-GLA is stepped up to a 76 for the summer timetable. The debate within CO was all about yield rather than loads.
Rockwell
9th Sep 2003, 06:07
According to the BBC News web site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3089046.stm
Scotland gets new NY air route
A US airline has announced plans to operate a daily non-stop flight from Edinburgh to New York.
The route is to be served by Continental Airlines, which plans to continue running similar flights from Glasgow.
Money from the Scottish Executive's Route Development Fund is being used on the service, the first time it has invested in an intercontinental route.
First Minister Jack McConnell said Scotland's "flourishing financial services sector" would have another direct link to Wall Street. It would also provide a "significant boost" to tourism.
The route development fund is a pot of money funded by:
£5m from the Scottish Executive
£1m from Scottish Enterprise
£500,000 from the Integrated Transport Fund
£300,000 from Highlands and Islands Enterprise.
It is operated in partnership with Scottish Enterprise, which administers it on behalf of the executive, VisitScotland and Highlands and Islands Enterprise.
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So Scottish organisations have forked out nearly £7m between them.
Which suggests that it is ok for the Scottish Executive to bribe an airline, but not ok for a French city to bribe Ryanair, if the recent ruling against the Irish Airline is a yardstick for all to ponder upon.
Admittedly Air France lodged the complaint, and in this instance it is not as if there is an existing operator already operating the route ex-EDI. But surely the bottom line with the court ruling against Ryanair is that no brown envelope payments should be made to operators. Which of course is a very wide ranging subject, as all new operators to all UK airports, are subsidized in one form or another.
Hmmm.....£7million , how much did Ryanair get from the French airports then? Level playing fields?!!!
...even made the FT:
http://tn01.com/ft/sbct.cgi?s=622527923&i=873486&m=2&d=4968783
...and I'm sure that Air Canada would like them to check their facts!
JKP505
9th Sep 2003, 17:42
This is absolutely shocking! How can an airline be legally allowed backhanders to operate services into an airport? This leads to the question 'would other airlines i.e. Duo start services from EDI if they did not recieve a multi-million pound headstart to do so?'
I don't believe CO would have started a service to EWR in 'normal' conditions, considering GLA is not that far along the road.
This could jeapordise the future of airports which get Scottish traffic, notably MAN and NCL. Disgraceful...
GustyOrange
9th Sep 2003, 18:32
Very true JKP.
This route only happened because the Executive wanted it to happen. It's well known that the airline industry is struggling right now. Why then would an airline risk damaging 'its best performing UK tx route outside London'?
I hope Jack and the boys are enjoying the destruction that they are now causing, not just by their presence, but also now by their actions.
Socialist government market distorting intervention, doesn't it make your day.
Gusty
Jordan D
9th Sep 2003, 20:30
I didn't realise there were that many problems at EDI. Aren't there plans to expand the airport, along with a new rail-link to Waverley/Haymarket?
Jordan
If a rail link to EDI gets built before 2030.....
EDI does have problems operating larger aircraft; these are mainly due to a lack of stands (at present only four stands on the passenger aprons can handle widebodied aircraft - only two can really take A332/744/772s) and a lack of space on the apron taxiways which means that anything bigger than an MD11 has to push right out onto the runway link (Taxiway A). You can imagine the chaos this causes if it's busy!
And that's before we mention the backtrack gap required for heavies.
donder10
10th Sep 2003, 01:48
5 million from the Scottish Executive?Isn't that blatant state aid or is being excuses by bull**** talk of 'restructuring funds'?
Out of interest,what is the total budget of the Scottish Executive?
John MacCalman
10th Sep 2003, 06:54
Interesting to see what happens to the nice big 767 which is on the GLA-EWR route when the EDI service starts in June 2004.
Glasgow is planned to go back to a 757 operation.
Perhaps this might change?
GustyOrange
10th Sep 2003, 17:01
It will be interesting to see John.
My US trips next year will not be narrowbody. Looks like I'll be travelling with AMR now.
Gusty
Jordan D
10th Sep 2003, 22:10
1261 - what's the problem you mention to do with taxiing? (I'm interested in EDI, seeing as I'll be studying at the Uni up there, and it'll be my 'local' airport)
Jordan
Joe Curry
11th Sep 2003, 00:11
>>Well, I wouldn't go quite that far... <<
Have you seen this? (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7009169.html) :yuk:
Joe Curry
11th Sep 2003, 01:38
Going back to that silly ET story...
>The World Flower Arranging Show in June 2002 attracted a total of 34,000 visitors.<
Glasgow is the flower arranging capital of Scotland.? :rolleyes:
>Glaswegians are big travellers. Glasgow Airport is by far the biggest holiday airport in Scotland, offering more charter flights to more international destinations than any other. <
A city of 610,000 folk - half of which are either unemployed
or claiming benefit - are taking 24 foreign holidays per head every
year.? Assuming of course that 305,000 have the disposable income.? :mad:
Here's me thinking that August was the silly season.:confused:
In reply to this nonsense (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7009169.html)
Did the recent collapse in SMG's profits occur before or after David
Leask (Chief 'Reporter' - ET) ridiculed himself with his highly
amusing and inventive 30-point sales pitch for GLA (most of which, according to official stats, is bollocks). Which is par for Leask. ;-))))
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The performance calculations to launch in no wind at EDI on a nice summer's day might prove interesting to see with a full load. Perhaps a tech stop en route ?
Jordan,
The problem with all aspects of EDI is years of chronic underinvestment; there is no full-length runway taxiway, no holding bays - need I go on. EDI is much busier than GLA in air traffic terms, that is to say that it handles about seventy-five more flights a day than GLA albeit with generally smaller aircraft.
The main difference between the two is in the mix of traffic; a large percentage of GLA's traffic is composed of "bucket and spade" IT flights, whereas almost all of EDI's flights are to European business destinations on scheduled and low-cost routes (incidentally, almost a third of all flights out of EDI on a weekday go to London). This accounts for larger number of passengers using GLA; the charter companies tend to use bigger aeroplanes.
I've always found this a paradox in the GLA business lobby's arguement - take charters out of the equation and GLA is actually not that busy.
That all said, I'm going to MAN in January so I really couldn't give a monkey's about the GLA/EDI thing anymore. :)
groundhugger
11th Sep 2003, 05:49
and I cant see the point in travelling to bloody manchester or london every time I want to cross the pond!!!!!!:mad:
well done the scottish exec
PAXboy
11th Sep 2003, 06:02
Socialist government market distorting intervention, doesn't it make your day. Whilst I sympathise with the view about politicians using tax payers money to claim great benefits for said tax payers ... I think you will find that Conservative govts love doing the same thing. There are enough examples of what the Tories have done over the last decades. :rolleyes:
As in America, there is now nothing to choose between the two main parties.
How long does this subsidy roll? Is it a one-off payment or spread over a year/more?
GustyOrange
11th Sep 2003, 07:39
Time this poster grew up ... thread banned and unable to read or post here tfn
Confirmed Must Ride
11th Sep 2003, 19:58
757 will have no problems non-stop from EDI. Great for costs, etc but not great for the economy punter. Remember CO operate 75 LGW-CLE only requiring tech-stop 1-2 times per year when winds really bad.
groundhugger
12th Sep 2003, 05:12
Not sure about the source but have heard today that there are another couple of announcments to come this month about new services from EDI one of which is reportedly another carrier going across the Pond (AA to ORD mentioned) but only time will tell!
Jordan D
12th Sep 2003, 14:48
Thanks 1261 ... at least I have a better understanding of the situation!
Jordan
codpiece face
12th Sep 2003, 17:27
What has not been mentioned in this topic is the way certainly at GLA the whole airport seems to stop and pay homage every time these transatlantic schedules arrive.
It is frequently at the expense of other airlines who are treated like dirt and I quote "you will have to move that aircraft to a remote stand the Continental is due in shortly".
These airlines are given everything they seem to ask for from the BAA as it is the prestige of having tranatlantic schedules. The AA/AC services are not even all year round.
So all i can say is hope you all enjoy it at EDI when it happens.