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Oilhead
24th Aug 2003, 04:11
I was told last week that the UK has changed the laws over police ability to (with cause) drug/alcohol test public transportation sector employees. I cannot find any hard information on this at any sites such as Department for Transportation or CAA. Can anyone steer me to an official web page etc with the new law information?

BlackRat
25th Aug 2003, 02:13
I only found this because it came up in the monthly updates to the Police National Legal Data base at work.

The new "Railways and Transport Safety Bill" (due to come into effect in September) Part 5 Aviation: Alcohol and Drugs. This sets out the offences and the pescribed limits. These apply to pilots, ATCO's, cabin crew and engineers.

The main points are set out below:

PART 5
AVIATION: ALCOHOL AND DRUGS
Offences
89 Being unfit for duty
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he performs an aviation function at a time when his ability to perform
the function is impaired because of drink or drugs, or
(b) he carries out an activity which is ancillary to an aviation function at a
time when his ability to perform the function is impaired because of
drink or drugs.
(2) In this section “drug” includes any intoxicant other than alcohol.
(3) Section 91 defines “aviation function” and “ancillary activity” for the purposes of this Part.

90 Prescribed limit
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he performs an aviation function at a time when the proportion of
alcohol in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit, or
(b) he carries out an activity which is ancillary to an aviation function at a
time when the proportion of alcohol in his breath, blood or urine
exceeds the prescribed limit.
(2) The prescribed limit of alcohol is (subject to subsection (3))—
(a) in the case of breath, 9 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres,
(b) in the case of blood, 20 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres, and
(c) in the case of urine, 27 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres.
(3) In relation to the aviation function specified in section 91(1)(h) the prescribed limit is—
(a) in the case of breath, 35 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres,
(b) in the case of blood, 80 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres, and
(c) in the case of urine, 107 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres.
(4) The Secretary of State may make regulations amending subsection (2) or (3).
(5) Section 91 defines “aviation function” and “ancillary activity” for the purposes of this Part.

91 Aviation functions
(1) For the purposes of this Part the following (and only the following) are aviation functions—
(a) acting as a pilot of an aircraft during flight,
(b) acting as flight navigator of an aircraft during flight,
(c) acting as flight engineer of an aircraft during flight,
(d) acting as flight radio-telephony operator of an aircraft during flight,
(e) acting as a member of the cabin crew of an aircraft during flight,
(f) attending the flight deck of an aircraft during flight to give or supervise
training, to administer a test, to observe a period of practice or to
monitor or record the gaining of experience,
(g) acting as an air traffic controller in pursuance of a licence granted under
or by virtue of an enactment (other than a licence granted to a student),
and
(h) acting as a licensed aircraft maintenance engineer.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1)(h) a person acts as a licensed aircraft
maintenance engineer if—
(a) he issues a document relating to the maintenance, condition or use of
an aircraft or equipment in reliance on a licence granted under or by
virtue of an enactment relating to aviation, or
(b) he carries out or supervises work on an aircraft or equipment with a
view to, or in connection with, the issue by him of a document of the
kind specified in paragraph (a).
(3) For the purposes of this Part a reference to an activity which is ancillary to an aviation function is a reference to anything which falls to be treated as such by virtue of subsections (4) to (6).
(4) An activity shall be treated as ancillary to an aviation function if it is
undertaken—
(a) by a person who has reported for a period of duty in respect of the
function, and
(b) as a requirement of, for the purpose of or in connection with the
performance of the function during that period of duty.
(5) A person who in accordance with the terms of an employment or undertaking holds himself ready to perform an aviation function if called upon shall be treated as carrying out an activity ancillary to the function.
(6) Where a person sets out to perform an aviation function, anything which he does by way of preparing to perform the function shall be treated as an activity ancillary to it.
(7) For the purposes of this Part it is immaterial whether a person performs a
function or carries out an activity in the course of an employment or trade or
otherwise.
(8) The Secretary of State may by regulations—
(a) amend this section;
(b) make an amendment of this Part which is consequential on an
amendment under paragraph (a).

Enforcement

92 Penalty
A person guilty of an offence under this Part shall be liable—
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
two years, to a fine or to both, or
(b) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding the statutory
maximum.

Hope this helps.

Cathar
25th Aug 2003, 05:07
The entire Act can be found at

http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/20030020.htm

Part V will not come into effect until a commencement order has been made. I understand that this is likely to be made some time in Decmeber.

boredcounter
25th Aug 2003, 07:13
Please translate that lot into English!

As with drink driving does this now mean a mandetory DNA swab?

Bored

BlackRat
25th Aug 2003, 16:59
Bored
Yes, DNA samples can be taken from anyone who has been arested.

1261
25th Aug 2003, 18:06
Those figures look worryingly low - I may have got my maths mixed up but if we assume that a pint of Stella is [just under] three units, you'd have to be bloody careful before a morning/early shift (starting at seven, say).

Fitzy
25th Aug 2003, 21:33
We have had a Drugs and Alcohol policy where I work for 11 years now. Summary dismissal for any drugs detected or a breath sample containing 13 or more micrograms of alcohol. If any less an investigation and a caution is issued. All came about after the Cannon Street crash where it was alleged the train driver tested positive for cannabis. We can be tested any time, day or night (I have been tested at 0230hrs!)
Draconian in some ways, but the majority who can be sensible pay the price for the minority who take the pi$$. As with so much in life.
Overriding all though is our duty of care to the pax.

Oilhead
26th Aug 2003, 21:35
Very intersting - thank you. I am certainly interested to find out more about DNA Swab testing - is there a location where I can get hard info on that and whether it applies to crewmembers?

If you have a DNA sample taken and your breath test is subsequently thrown out, can they keep that DNA sample?

George Orwell would have a field day with this one.

BlackRat
26th Aug 2003, 23:34
DNA samples are only kept from people who are charged with an offence. At present you have to consent to the swab being taken however, a senior police officer (usually an inspector) can authorise the use of force to take a sample. This power is only usually used when investigating the most serious crimes.

It is my understanding that these reguations, which are now due to come in to force in December, apply to all crew members - flight deck and cabin crew.

Hwel
27th Aug 2003, 16:27
Was there not something recently about these DNA swabs not being thrown away (or at least the results from them) I'll have to look at it but im sure the jist of the newspaper article was that the police are effectively building a database of the DNA of everyone that comes into contact with them.

found it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/03/27/ndna27.xml

maxy101
27th Aug 2003, 17:20
I agree totally with the sentiment, however , surely, doctors, dentists, judges,lawyers, money men also make critical decisions that should only be taken when completely sober? When does the random testing start for them?

Oilhead
28th Aug 2003, 20:57
OK - so bear with me here - is a pissed pilot or stew considered DNA'able? i.e. If I show up and am accused of being Brahms can they yank a piece of my hair out against my will in the UK?

Is there a reference site? Thanks

OH

Basil
28th Aug 2003, 21:26
Inasmuch as modern cars are (almost) all capable of speeds well in excess of 100mph and a VLCC takes just a bit of handling :ooh: :
Should the 'Drink/Drive Limit' and the Shipping Limit be reduced to a quarter of its present level to fall in line with that proposed for aviation or is the aviation limit set unrealistically low?

I'm thinking here of residuals from moderate social alcohol consumption the night before.

Max Angle
2nd Sep 2003, 06:16
When does the random testing start for them? Random testing is not part of the law. As now, the police will need to have "reasonable suspicion" that an offence is being committed.

Basil
2nd Sep 2003, 17:38
True for the UK but I believe some countries permit random testing.