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llondel 17th March 2017 21:59

In the spirit of the original article, the way to clearly keep the sideways force at a minimum is to have the circular runway rotating on rollers so that the aircraft can remain stationary as the wheels go faster with the runway moving underneath. No untoward forces on the landing gear then.
:8

Oh, and no airspeed or lift either. So about as useful as the original idea.

llondel 17th March 2017 22:05


Originally Posted by Sepp (Post 9708092)
@airforced: I concur.

Playing along with it though: it would also be very interesting to hear how the genius that came up with the idea plans to implement approach lighting/PAPIs.

That's easy, you just have a bunch of self-driving cars with lights on top that drive round at high speed in formation. You approach with an ever-decreasing spiral manoeuvre (aka the oozlum trick), keeping the cars in sight as you slowly descend.

Sepp 17th March 2017 22:26

:ok:

Sounds legit. :}

RAT 5 18th March 2017 09:04

During my VFR XC nav training days around southern & eastern England I'm sure I saw many old WW11 disused airfields that had a triangular runway layout, with one side being the longest main runway. Many had been dug up, but the shadows were still visible. The // runway layout I suspect come from a social consideration; noise etc.
One thing about the layout design: At Schiphol they have 6 runways and are laid out principle on a square, 18 & 27 except for a primary takeoff runway of 24 and landing on 06. RW22 is primarily GA. They like to use 2 takeoff runways & 1 landing or vice versa depending on the schedule period; sometimes even 2 takeoff & 2 landing.
However, the worst winds come in the winter and are NW'lys, right between the runways, with challenging X-wind consequences. This often causes single runway operation each for takeoff & landing. Huge delays & cancellations. The question asked: is it better to build the // runways not on a common east/west axis but on NW/SE, or what ever the worst wind direction is, and accept a gentle crosswind in more benign conditions?

Circular runways? I get dizzy just thinking about them.

Fairdealfrank 24th March 2017 22:01

It's the 1st April, bloody hell, it's come around again so quickly!

Makes the untried and untested concept of simulataneous take offs and landings on an extended 10L/27R at LHR (Jock Lowe's proposal to the Airport Commission) look emminently sensible..........



But I thought they already had then at < insert that airport that annoys you>
CDG!


No, I could never forget LHR. Putting the terminal buildings in the centre. What a clever idea. What could possibly go wrong with that?
It was at the time. Problem was that there was no concept of future-proofing or accounting for the fact that aviation would eventually take off big time.

Yet midfield terminals are fashionable at present!


Great, no crosswind.

Ah, bit of a crosswind.

Aaaaaagh, crosswind is out of limits.

Well, take off again then!!

Can't, we've got a tailwind!!!
Arrrgh, how do you do a go-around?



Maybe we should propose a big floating airport in the sea. Like a 3km long aircraft carrier with two parallel runways 1.5 km apart. Kind of like Heathrow at Sea.
Landside access is a bit of an issue through.
Boris Island?

DaveReidUK 24th March 2017 22:23


Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank (Post 9718304)
Makes the untried and untested concept of simulataneous take offs and landings on an extended 10L/27R at LHR (Jock Lowe's proposal to the Airport Commission) look emminently sensible..........

To be fair, even the daft Heathrow Hub proposal doesn't feature a runway with a bend in the middle. :O

RAT 5 25th March 2017 03:40

I get dizzy just thinking about this. Brooklands used to be an aerodrome. It is near-ish to London. It has a banking. Did they close and dismantle it too early? What could have been.

underfire 29th March 2017 00:22

Perhaps we should propose a large treadmill runway for ARR, come in touchdown, and there you are!

If nothing else, we could get $Billions to study the concept.

abgd 31st March 2017 22:05

Wouldn't you use both anticlockwise and clockwise runways if you had a circular airport? You could then have 2 active runways that were into the wind. So long as they were long enough, you would have room to abort a take-off before you came into conflict with the opposing runway.

My general feeling is that when clever people suggest something that seems to be stupid, it's generally worth giving some unbiased consideration. My problem with the proposal so far is that I haven't seen enough detail about it so far to have any inkling as to how it's actually proposed it should work.

.Scott 4th April 2017 22:36

Circular Runway proposed
 
Think again: Will circular runways ever take off? - BBC News
The runway would be banked with the outer edge higher than the lower side.

DaveReidUK 4th April 2017 23:01

See post #31 from 16th March.

.Scott 4th April 2017 23:53

Here's the specific document dealing with whether a plane could land and takeoff on such a runway - and how the runway would be banked.
http://www.endlessrunway-project.eu/...ft-aspects.pdf

The key problem I see is in the landing. You would be landing on the inside of a bowl near just below the rim. If you ever went a little long or short on your approach, forget about it. You need to bank you plane as you clear the rim and then land exactly as you become tangent to you "center line". If you need to land a couple of hundred meters late, your choices are a go-around or trying to follow the curve and bank of the "center line".

Their document is very light on the problems of the approach to landing. But they do say that if you do it, the acceleration forces will not upset the passengers.

Yeeehaaa!

KelvinD 5th April 2017 06:05

Luton airport would have confounded even the circular runway on Monday this week. The wind was being reported throughout the day as "varying from 120 to 240 degrees"!

DaveReidUK 5th April 2017 06:57


Originally Posted by .Scott (Post 9729774)
Here's the specific document dealing with whether a plane could land and takeoff on such a runway - and how the runway would be banked.

You haven't provided any link, but I'm guessing you mean the document linked in post #19.

.Scott 5th April 2017 11:38


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 9729945)
You haven't provided any link, but I'm guessing you mean the document linked in post #19.

Nope. I actually got the link from the "Documents" in post #59. That site lists about 6 sections to the report. Section 3.2 addresses issue with landings and take-offs and with the banking of the runway.

http://www.endlessrunway-project.eu/...ft-aspects.pdf

Myrtle Beach 23rd April 2020 13:03

circular runway
 
Air traffic control to captain: Do you always have to go flying off on a tangent?


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