Well, work is starting on T2 soon, whether we believe its in the wrong place or not! I forgot about the new runway ruling out T2 being near the current SR technics buildings! Maybe a midfield site, like where the ATC tower and Fire Station is?

It's too close to the required service entry date of 2009 to be messing about with the design of T2 (when, of course, they actually confirm what it is!) They need to work with what's planned for now, but ensure that the available space is used as efficiently as possible. As I mentioned above, moving cargo ops to a new site west of 16/34 would free up parking space for pax aircraft.

Given the importance of the airport to continued economic growth, it is vital that there is interest at government level - the DAA must be in no doubt that it is being watched by a steely eye and that there will be consequences for making a dog's dinner of things again. Oversight is the key; the government must also be prepared to direct and set out goals, in terms of pax and cargo handling and the future shape and development of the airport.

The McEvaddy's having bought a strategic piece of land (that AR probably don't want to pay over the odds for) probably doesn't help.

I keep harping on about this whenever it comes up, but the priority should be one single usable terminal. For example - T5 in Heathrow will have enough pax capacity to handle DUB pax for decades. Ditto Pearson "new" T1.

The new stands shouldn't have been lumped onto the existing piers but beside 10/28 between it and the parallel (whenever that happens) - just like at Toronto Pearson. Make that a Ryanair or all-loco 737 optimised pier for simplicity of equipment. The pier can connect for supplies via a cut/cover tunnel which would eventually be covered by 10L/28R and via a bored tunnel for airport buses to run from check-in/bag reclaim+customs at the main terminal or the heritage terminal. I've used YYZ's infield pier twice as SLF and it is not unduly annoying to use, although it adds a bit to your minimum check-in time.

Then you get going on a complete rebuild of the existing main DUB terminal, integrating the old heritage terminal if possible rather than enveloping it, gradually transferring ops to the new building. (It was easier at YYZ as they demolished T1, but they are gradually eating into T2 now which will disappear in due course).

One other thing - the practice of shuttling the Government ministerial aircraft to DUB from Baldonnel to pickup ministers is a disgrace logistically and environmentally and should be stopped.

Fair point that. But if these guys are bad , the Minister responsible for them is utterly inept. It really showed how knowlagable ****** is about his portfolio. He described the opening of the ORK terminal as 'a bloody shambles' and moaned about how much it cost. It was clearly implied that those responsable for ORK should be shown the door. So come on minister, show them the door, but dont forget that its not those at the airport you are visting that are responsible, but those at the airport you are leaving!

Now listen up guys. And I should add this first. I and my colleagues do not have the time or are interested in providing it to those of you who are persisting in innuendo and using names in a fashion which is close to the edge of PPRuNe's strict rules in regard to outing people.

I am going to close this thread for a while - to allow you to recognize where this thread MUST go from here. NO NAMES, NO COUCHING OF NAMES, NO POINTING FINGERS.

Stick strictly to debate. If you are not in a position to decide who what or where about ANYTHING then do not assume that you are and stop this ridiculous attempt at playing CEO.

NOTHING belongs to any one of you so all you can do is discuss it and that is all.

PPP

They seem to be leaving people on stand now....better to keep things away from the terminal building i would think!!

Dublin Airport evacuated amid major security alert



13:58 Tuesday July 4th 2006



Dublin Airport has been evacuated this afternoon amid a major security alert believed to have been sparked by a bomb warning.
Details of the incident are still sketchy, but the terminal building has been evacuated and all traffic is being prevented from entering the airport.

Witnesses said airport staff entered the departures area and told everybody to get out as quickly as possible.

Gardai say the alert was sparked by a suspicious bag in the arrivals hall.

There are unconfirmed reports that a man entered the building claiming to be carrying a bomb.

Another wildly over-the-top reaction designed to breed hysteria.

selfin,

Why do you say that? do you know something we do not?

I should think a fair number of you know enough. If even privately.

Some muppet entered the arrivals hall with a bag over his head screaming its a bomb, it's a bomb.
I would hate to think it was over the top hysteria if this muppet was in fact carrying a bomb, eh Selfin?

And who's going to go to the trouble of preparing one, entering an airport, then telling everyone? It doesn't work both ways. Either you complete the task, or you bring a bag full of bricks.

And if he was carrying a bomb, and they didn't evacuate, would you be happy for the authorities to say ah well, we didn't take him seriously?

Would you be happy with the multiple casualties?

Would you not accept that it's better to be safe than sorry?

I would always prefer to have one lunatic in custody than a hall full of bodies, selfin. Maybe thats why "Hysteria" took hold today.

If you leave that door open for knee-jerk reactions, you leave your society vulnerable to all sorts of exploitation. What sort of economic damage was done today, do you suppose, never mind the loss of peacefulness?

Miles Hi, Quite.

Selfin, conspiracy theories may be entertaining but they are not (usually) the real world. I have personally (many years ago) closed down an ATC unit (on the Emerald Isle) and bought in EOD due to someone’s dirty washing (literally), no one objected because we all knew the danger was real.

You can not discount lunatics, fanatics or “freedom fighters”.

Nor can you dismiss the plethora of rock solid evidence that the vast majority of terrorism we're told about is purely synthetic. I will remain steadfast on this point until more convincing physical evidence to the contrary becomes available - and even then, we'll have some serious rewriting of the laws of physics to do, in order to satisfy the general belief that terrorism is not synthetic.

So economics is more important than innocent peoples lives in a civilian airport?

Shame, Selfin.

Innocent lives at risk? At risk from the real threat of death by whom, exactly?

Selfin, they have a man in custody. Whether he was genuine or not, there is tangible evidence that he threathened to blow up the airport.

What next? Do you suggest that Fire Brigades don't attend 999 calls because they think its a hoax? No matter how serious or not a nutjob like this is, he must be taken seriously until the threat is neutralised. Shame, in a civilised society, but it's fact.