Clear the deck and stop pussy footing.

Give Leo Hanger 6 for use as a low cost shed and another hanger for heavy checks and to create 300 jobs.

Think DAA's quick lease with EI was a deliberate attempt to block any hope FR would have in taking up the lease. Unfortunately that is the way DAA works.

OK let me spell it out for you.

MOL to IDA: We want Hangar 6. 500 jobs but no f******g Unions.

IDA to MC: MOL wants Hangar 6. 500 jobs but no Unions.

MC to DAA: MOL wants Hangar 6. 500 jobs but no Unions.

DAA to MC: Hangar 6? Over our f*****g dead bodies.

MC to DAA: But how can we stop it?

DAA to MC: We'll be back to you in 10 minutes.

DAA to EI: We want you in Hangar 6.

EI to DAA: No way, it's far to big for us.

DAA to EI: MOL wants it.

EI to DAA: Mein Gott!!! We'll be in it by midnight tonight. What about the lease costs?

DAA to EI: Don't worry. We'll look after you.

EI to DAA: But what if someone else bigger than us comes along?

DAA to EI: Don't worry. We'll put the usual clause in. Get moving.

DAA to MC: Sorted. Tell that f*****r MOL that Hangar 6 is not available but we'll talk to him on our terms.

That's how it works at DUB.

So, MOL now sets his plan in action to get back at the triumvirate.
In a big publicity stunt he gives 200 of the jobs to Scotland and announces he can still give 300 to DUB but only in Hangar 6.

With the media and the Opposition in full stride behind him, the publication of the pathetic correspondence and the photos of the empty Hangar 6, the DAA, MC and Aer Lingus (who won't vacate a hangar they don't need even for the sake of 300 jobs) are shown up to be, in the public eye, the bad boys all working together to keep him out even in desperate times with hundreds of jobs at stake.

Ryanair are downsizing at Dublin, Aer Lingus are not. Why don't ryanair vacate Dublin and allow EI to expand and create more jobs?
So Aer Lingus won't help out their main competitor? Do you think ryanair would do likewise?
In fact, why don't ryanair not downsize shannon? for the sake of all those lost jobs in Shannon, why don't they stay? If they care so much about jobs...
Wake up and see the real agenda.

Hangar 6
 

It seems to me that while FR were refusing to talk directly to the DAA about Hangar6, the DAA were busily dealing with other interested parties who wanted to lease it. FR did not get Hangar 6 because they refused to negotiate directly with the owners.

"abrasive personality" Sure but it got him to where he is - the world's biggest airline didn't it and that certainly gives him more clout than Mr Nice Guy with only 33 aircraft. If FR gets EI then they get the hanger anyway.

Rates from the very height of the Irish boom ?
Surely current rates elsewhere in the property market are way way below 2007 levels.

If it was anyone else apart from the DAA involved I'd be thinking differently but as it stands i'd be thinking along the lines of Ayroplain's hypothetical scenario above.

They should be cutting rates below 07 levels imo like most of the rest of the irish economy.. restoring competitiveness etc but I suppose something/someone has to pay for Terminal2

I've been reliably informed that H6 is the ONLY suitable hangar for A330's in Dublin. The others are not big enough. So it would've been EI building a new hangar or FR building a new hangar. EI got there first is the only difference.

Can we keep this on topic rather than the political posturings of some people as while I'm sure personal party politics is important to some people, on here its irrelevant.

Don't jump to conclusions guys. Especially when you are not sure of your facts. Conjecture always means that when you do offer bad opinions you worry the life out of the working staff. No nice!

AA&R Mods

OK, if that is correct info can you ask your informant where the A330's were being (line) maintained before the date of commencement of the 20 year lease of Hangar 6?

Was just listening to MOL on the Last Word on TodayFM. The solution really seems to be that Aer Lingus be encouraged to switch hangars and have a new large hangar built for them at Dublin as it will be another 8 years before they can do heavy maintenance in house as their French contract expires then. Plenty of time to build another hangar and walk away from H6 at a nice profit.
Aer Lingus do have a duty to Ireland and the creation of jobs here as they are part owned by the government and the Irish taxpayer:ugh:

MOL was also on Newstalk just now with George Hook. Again, the guy seemed very reasonable, very convincing.. If the Govt fails to provide a solution to this, Mary Coughlan should resign or be sacked!

8 Years !!!!!!!

€2 million plus a year until EI can use it properly as intended.

This is the world of business. Ryanair are asking a competitor to jump to help them gain a competative advantage. Why would any business do that?
Would ryanair do same to facilitate anyone else? No, didn't think so.
Aer Lingus are not a charity.

Exactly. Personally I would have a problem with this if no other options were available. It's quite clear that there are two other suitable hangers available to Ryanair to accomodate these jobs with the option of building this new hanger in the future. Unless Ryanair change their approach or Aer Lingus are bought out of their lease the story is over.

Ryanair themselves have published a copy of a Hanger lease they have with the DAA themselves. It appears that even if the DAA wanted to break the lease the minimum notice period is 12 months along with providing relocation to a bulding of similar size.

"The solution really seems to be that Aer Lingus be encouraged to switch hangars and have a new large hangar built for them at Dublin as it will be another 8 years before they can do heavy maintenance in house as their French contract expires then. Plenty of time to build another hangar and walk away from H6 at a nice profit."

Or why not just let FR build a new hangar and leave EI alone. Why does it HAVE to be H6; has FR actually explained why the other hangars are not suitable for its needs?

This evening, FR has come out with its usual tact and diplomacy, accusing Brian Cowen of four lies:

Markets News Afternoon: Ryanair's O'Leary accuses Cowen of lying as truth behind Dublin Airport saga remains unclear; Shares rise in Europe and US

Oh, this will really encourage an amicable solution!

If they were given the green light tomorrow Ryanair would envisage employing persons (not all 250-300 at once mind) this Aug or Sep. The required notice to the licensee would expire 5 months later. Could they not use one or more of the other adjacent vacant hangers in that intervening period?

According to MOL on the radio this evening, Ryanair is Europe's largest airline and it needs H6 to accommodate 5 or 6 737's in heavy maintenance at a time in the winter period. I think that Ryanair, Aer Lingus and the Govt can gain from a solution to this. Hand over H6 to Ryanair, Aer Lingus make a profit being bought out of the lease and have ample time to build another large hangar at Dublin (for which they don't need to use until 8 years time).
The Govt gains by having 300 more taxpayers, 300 less struggling families on the dole and the maintenance of this high tech skillset in Ireland.
Aer Lingus is after all majority owned by the Irish taxpayer and Ryanair.