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LTNman 16th Jun 2022 05:30

Airship order from Air Nostrum
 
Spanish airline Air Nostrum reserves 10 Airlander airships from Bedford-based firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-618115


HAV said Airlander 10 will cut flight emissions by up to 90% for journeys across Air Nostrum's regional routes in Spain.

The airships, which stay aloft using helium and electricity, have been commissioned to seat 100 people.
All seems somewhat strange, what sort of speed will they be travelling at?

DaveReidUK 16th Jun 2022 06:25


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11246849)
All seems somewhat strange, what sort of speed will they be travelling at?

"Airlander 10 has a top speed of 130 kph and can stay airborne for up to five days."

HAV (hybridairvehicles.com)

SWBKCB 16th Jun 2022 06:28


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11246849)
Spanish airline Air Nostrum reserves 10 Airlander airships from Bedford-based firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-618115

"Reserves" - wonder how much money they have put down? :suspect:

LTNman 16th Jun 2022 06:55

I can see a long range freight market use for airships but not for a passenger scheduled service operating domestically in Spain. For starters they would need different handling and would be not be able to use a conventional aircraft stand. Then there are wind speed limits and boarding issues. Seems more like an April fool joke yet it is true.

https://i.imgur.com/TQnkijL.jpg

Less Hair 16th Jun 2022 07:52

Read up on "Cargolifter" and you will know how this might end.

cavokblues 16th Jun 2022 09:07

"These qualities will make it an attractive option for different types and conditions of operation, including movements in towns without airport facilities and on islands." - https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06...-airlander-10/

Does sound like they wouldn't be operating them to conventional airports. Top speed of 130kph - that could make some of the flight times in Spain very long........

TimmyW 16th Jun 2022 09:09

A news report yesterday said they need more than £50 million funding to get production started.

Not sure this will go anywhere.

Tartiflette Fan 16th Jun 2022 09:48


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11246926)
"These qualities will make it an attractive option for different types and conditions of operation, including movements in towns without airport facilities and on islands." - https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06...-airlander-10/

Does sound like they wouldn't be operating them to conventional airports. Top speed of 130kph - that could make some of the flight times in Spain very long........

Using unique "airports" would allow much time saving, but at a significant infrastructure cost to the operators

AirportPlanner1 16th Jun 2022 10:13

This might not be as ridiculous as it sounds if it were utilised for the Balearic operation. You’d be looking at an hour give or take for Palma-Ibiza and Mahon, about 1:30 for Ibiza-Alicante and Valencia, about 1:40 for Palma-Barcelona, 2 hours for Mahon-Barcelona. All much faster than the ferry and adding probably only 20 mins or so the the block times of the intra-island routes. Ibiza-Mahon is longish but this doesn’t seem to be an existing route.

Uplinker 16th Jun 2022 10:24

We used an Airship Industries 600 to provide an airborne camera for a televised cricket match from Lords many moons ago.

It was a lovely machine, very pleasant to fly in and powered by Porsche flat six car engines that sounded very nice, and with ducted fan pods. It took about 40 mins to get overhead Lords from Cambridgeshire but about 2 hours to get back, against headwinds.

And it required a large ground crew of about 10 people and a mobile anchoring mast vehicle in order to take-off and land. I can't see how airships will give a commercial return.

DC3 Dave 16th Jun 2022 11:09


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11246928)
A news report yesterday said they need more than £50 million funding to get production started.

Not sure this will go anywhere.

Certainly not DSA! 😆

Sorry, that was a cheap shot but at least it proves I read your posts.

N707ZS 16th Jun 2022 15:04

Hopefully they have sorted the problems which caused the crash.

DuncanDoenitz 16th Jun 2022 17:08


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 11247122)
Hopefully they have sorted the problems which caused the crash.

And the successful aircraft type that this comment doesn't apply to is ........

N707ZS 16th Jun 2022 17:39

Suggest you start reading from the top and then simply google the craft in question to see the incident.

DuncanDoenitz 16th Jun 2022 18:35

I remember both incidents; I think one was in flight, and the other whilst moored/parked/tethered.

My point was that a great many aircraft which have suffered incidents/accidents during development have gone on to quite successful careers after they've "sorted the problems".

Google HP Victor, DH Comet, Bristol Britannia, BAC 1-11, DH110/Sea Vixen, F-14, B-17, B-47, and so on. Many of these suffered early development problems which had significantly greater expenditure of energy and consequent personal impact on the individuals concerned than did the Airlander incidents.

VickersVicount 16th Jun 2022 21:15


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11246928)
Not sure this will go anywhere.

Im very sure this will go nowhere. Like those Indian start up carriers from Leeds etc

jolihokistix 17th Jun 2022 00:38

Is one allowed to wish them luck, and hope that the business takes off in proof of concept?

Sometimes the opinions sound stronger than the winds.

SWBKCB 17th Jun 2022 06:32


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11247336)
Is one allowed to wish them luck, and hope that the business takes off in proof of concept?

Sometimes the opinions sound stronger than the winds.

I agree - think this will be more about competing with intra-island ferry routes than it is about conventional air services and the associated infrastructure

Asturias56 17th Jun 2022 08:09

"Google HP Victor, DH Comet, Bristol Britannia, BAC 1-11, DH110/Sea Vixen, F-14, B-17, B-47, and so on. Many of these suffered early development problems"

Yes but at the same time there were thousands, tens of thousands, of other aircraft flying OK - the development problems were with one design.

There aren't any other fleets of airships around. The problems seem to be systemic looking back over 120 years - they're a dead end for almost all commercial uses

LessThanSte 17th Jun 2022 09:33

With 5 days aloft time, i could see a lucrative role as an alternative to (very polluting) cruises. We could see one of these pottering around the Nordic Fjords, for example. Beyond that, there is an increasingly popular slow travel movement - for example people choosing ever more to travel by coach than by train. Going by airship instead of by jet will have a heap of positives that may very well outweigh the negatives (speed).

And if it doesn't a large concrete expanse to land (i.e. a traditional airport) - that's a good thing too. Any reasonably accessible field (I can think of 3 or 4 locations within 3 miles of my desk) is suddenly a potential journey start point.

That's not to say that i think this idea will work or that these airships will ever be delivered. But I'm not sure I agree with some (most?) of the negativity above!


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