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Republican 10th Jun 2022 20:36

UK Government deportation flights to Rwanda
 
Does anyone know which airline will be operating these flights and from which airport?

Expatrick 10th Jun 2022 20:47


Originally Posted by Republican (Post 11244199)
Does anyone know which airline will be operating these flights and from which airport?

Now I wonder why you want to know that.

Rutan16 10th Jun 2022 22:51


Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 11244201)
Now I wonder why you want to know that.

Its in the public interest 🤔

Rutan16 10th Jun 2022 22:53


Originally Posted by Republican (Post 11244199)
Does anyone know which airline will be operating these flights and from which airport?

There are rather few candidates I suspect - Certain Portuguese/Maltese businesses I expect and probably either Gatwick or Stansted
Both have and are used for Albanian and Caribbean removals
Deportation flights aren’t exactly new, however what is new to the UK is removals TO A THIRD COUNTRY.

Cat Techie 10th Jun 2022 23:18


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 11244241)
There are rather few candidates I suspect - Certain Portuguese/Maltese businesses I expect and probably either Gatwick or Stansted
Both have and are used for Albanian and Caribbean removals
Deportation flights aren’t exactly new, however what is new to the UK is removals TO A THIRD COUNTRY.

Titan contract? They certainly have done well out of the Tories.

Rutan16 10th Jun 2022 23:36


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 11244244)
Titan contract? They certainly have done well out of the Tories.

Certainly have from the public purse courtesy of their mates👍👍👍
Possibly through they are pretty stretched out at the moment helping BA Gatwick cheapskate business, TUi ( both A320s) Jet2 whilst I doubt they and the administration would want the embarrassment of using G-GBNI whilst the other Neo is also operating some sort of VIP charters 😏
They have one 757 and one A321ceo available through they do have some work on hand most of the time
The rest of the fleet are freighters and all have contracts with Lufthansa El-Al Virgin and the A333Pf with Geodis.

SWBKCB 11th Jun 2022 05:48

Unless tthere is a shed load of money involved, why would anybody risk the possible disruption through legal challenges, protests etc and the potential for bad publicity. Not like there is a shortage of alternative work for white A320 man.

Pain in the R's 11th Jun 2022 07:21

Use a RAF transport aircraft? I don't care how they get there just kick them out together with their 10,000 friends who have made the crossing this year from a safe country.

Manx 11th Jun 2022 09:48


Originally Posted by Pain in the R's (Post 11244344)
Use a RAF transport aircraft? I don't care how they get there just kick them out together with their 10,000 friends who have made the crossing this year from a safe country.

Wow. When people wonder where our young peoples sense of entitlement comes from, I tell them not to look too far. We see you.

Rivet Joint 11th Jun 2022 09:59

Not to stay off topic but the people being deported are from those that arrived illegally and the worst of that bunch. I don’t think this country is racist, you only have to visit an NHS hospital to see how crucial immigration is to our country. These are all people that went through the official channels though. I think people should be more careful with their use of the word racist, it’s not to be thrown around.

inOban 11th Jun 2022 10:47

If you are a refugee, say from Afghanistan Iran or Syria wanting to reach the UK, perhaps to join relatives or friends, there is no legal way of getting here. We need these people with the 'get up and go' mindset.

BA318 11th Jun 2022 11:08


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11244438)
If you are a refugee, say from Afghanistan Iran or Syria wanting to reach the UK, perhaps to join relatives or friends, there is no legal way of getting here. We need these people with the 'get up and go' mindset.

Its off topic but there are plenty of legal ways. Asylum is designed to provide safety not get you to your dream location. If you live in Afghanistan, Iran or Syria and want to come to the UK you apply the same as if an American or Chinese person wanted to move to the UK.

Work visa routes, on the basis of family or marriage, study visa etc. There are options. There are usually also specific relocation schemes for certain conflicts or areas.

By all means Uk immigration is a complete mess and the Home Office is terrible but there are legal avenues that can be used.

Given the bad PR any airline will get operating this flight and the Gov’s desire to make it happen I would imagine it’s a healthy paying contract. Although don’t be surprised if state owned Rwandair operate it.

Cat Techie 11th Jun 2022 11:16


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11244453)
Its off topic but there are plenty of legal ways. Asylum is designed to provide safety not get you to your dream location. If you live in Afghanistan, Iran or Syria and want to come to the UK you apply the same as if an American or Chinese person wanted to move to the UK.

Work visa routes, on the basis of family or marriage, study visa etc. There are options. There are usually also specific relocation schemes for certain conflicts or areas.

By all means Uk immigration is a complete mess and the Home Office is terrible but there are legal avenues that can be used.

Given the bad PR any airline will get operating this flight and the Gov’s desire to make it happen I would imagine it’s a healthy paying contract. Although don’t be surprised if state owned Rwandair operate it.

Export more taxpayers cash .

Airbanda 11th Jun 2022 11:30


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11244453)
Its off topic but there are plenty of legal ways. Asylum is designed to provide safety not get you to your dream location. If you live in Afghanistan, Iran or Syria and want to come to the UK you apply the same as if an American or Chinese person wanted to move to the UK.

Work visa routes, on the basis of family or marriage, study visa etc. There are options. There are usually also specific relocation schemes for certain conflicts or areas.

By all means Uk immigration is a complete mess and the Home Office is terrible but there are legal avenues that can be used.

Given the bad PR any airline will get operating this flight and the Gov’s desire to make it happen I would imagine it’s a healthy paying contract. Although don’t be surprised if state owned Rwandair operate it.

Even for the extreme example of Afghanistan, where there is a conflict specific scheme, it's not possible to apply 'in country'. The courts delivered a judgement on that specific point and related primarily to judges, several of them with the added risk Taliban wise of being female:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...ent-090622.pdf

The government and it's mouthpieces, we had Peter Bone(head) MP on the radio this morning, speak of legal routes and 'queue jumping' but in practice if you're a Sudanese who has made it to Calais there is no safe/legal route for you to join relatives in the UK. Even the so called Dubbs route (after Lord Dubbs who arrived in the UK via Kindertransport) for unaccompanied minors was ignored and then closed off.

The quickest way to pull the rug from under those running smuggling operations is to open an office in Calais where those with legitimate connections to the UK can apply to come here.


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