Aviation jobs at airports are seeing big rises globally due to Covid and it being difficult to recruit back into an unstable industry, it’s not all brexit related.

If Greg Browne ex Jota reads this, or anyone who knows him does, please PM me.

I don’t believe ‘remoaners’ have ignored other factors. The problem is the ‘believers’ don’t acknowledge negative impacts of Brexit no matter if it’s contributory or the entire cause. “No downsides only considerable upsides” and all that…

This is the Jota thread. Anybody got evidence that Jota's demise was caused by Brexit? If not, you'll find an endless loop of similarly entrenched views in Jetblast :ok:

Actually working for a UK airline that has seen the effects of it does qualify myself to have an opinion. I have lost the right with my current licence to do all the work I could do before Brexit. What is your position? JOTA Aviation had cargo aircraft and contracts as well. Carbotage put a big dent in their operations of not being able to do inter Europe work. As for your post on wages, complete rubbish. Do you actually work in the industry? Work at an airport? I do. I heard that RVL have wound up their S340 freighter op yesterday as well. Trouble in getting work. As I said, I have mates that have lost their jobs with the collapse of JOTA. My last post on the subject.

Post 19 sets it out quite well, albeit with a slight naivety that set off the Brexit debate.

Wow, guess I should have known not to have brought Brexit up. Let me make it clear that Jota themselves mentioned the fall out from Brexit many months ago as a reason they were struggling to get work due to not being on a level playing field with the European freight operators. Maybe the article can still be found.

let me also make it clear that I am not against Brexit but even if I was a remainer the decision has been made and we all just need to move on. There are always going to be teething problems especially when your ex business partner wants to make sure none of its other business partners get any ideas about leaving it’s conglomerate. Over time the UK will chip away at the EU. Hopefully whatever the disparity is with air cargo will be one of the things they work on. It seems other airlines have opened subsidiaries based on the continent and re-registered aircraft accordingly so perhaps that could have been a solution for Jota but I am no expert.

You said your actual knowledge on the subject with your last comment. You and others like you ripped up years of work. Us in the field have paid for it. Thank you for nothing,

Always handy to blame Brexit for the failings of management. I don't see LCC suffering too much, as they have taken steps.

Not really like with like though is it. Companies with vast fleets and resources operating extensively across a continent v a small niche carrier with a handful of planes with a head office staffed my one man and his dog.

Old aeroplanes, labour intensive to fix and an MRO allegedly out of pocket.........

A lot of Brexit blame going on here.

The various JOTA returns to Companies House are freely available via the Internet. JOTA’s financial problems predate Brexit.

They do indeed. However, first page of their final statements on companies house mentions they won a cargo contract only to be told they weren't getting it because of Brexit. They also blame the uncertainty and disruption to the airline because of Brexit.

Obviously other factors also involved but Covid and Brexit played their part.

cb - Indeed they do. Looks like PPP to me. As I wrote, the problems started before Brexit.

More than a little irony in that a business owned by an rabid Brexiteer has to lay at least part of the blame of their business's demise on their own pet project.

Not that that helps one iota with the plight of those of their employees who's lives have been turned upside down by the demise of the business.

So Covid had no impact on Jota only Brexit? Yeah right!

No, their statements blame Covid as well.

Did I not write 'at least part of the blame'?

Covid-19 was though something of silver lining for some cargo operators. Sadly not for Jota it would appear, for whatever reason.

Mostly being Essex boys, a lot of the ground staff voted for it. Well they never understood cause and effect. Like others on this thread.

What like pay rises due to a lack of cheap labour? People would blame Brexit if unemployment was high just like they blame Brexit for a labour shortage. Whatever the issue they will blame Brexit. So how many U.K. airlines failed during U.K. EU membership? Would JOTA still be with us if we remained inside. I suspect they would still have failed.