Eastern Airways are increasing Newquay - Leeds route from 4x to 6x weekly, double daily Jetstream 41 flights on Monday, Fridays and single flight each on Thursdays and Sundays.
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Any indication on whether the PSO tender for London flights is likely to come to anything? Should be an announcement soon I thought?
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On or before 24th Nov by all accounts…
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Unconfirmed but Sean M on twitter who is very good with these things. Eastern Airways have won the PSO and will operate to Gatwick on the ATR 72
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…mmm not sure thats what the locals will have wanted, but better than nothing
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They can look forward to constant changes to the schedule, high fares and the ATR being subbed by the rest of the Eastern fleet. Such a shame BACF didn’t bid. I can’t see this serving the community well.
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You forgot regular cancellations at short notice
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I would expect the community to have specified a minimum standard of service in the contract.
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How many flights per day was the PSO wanting to be undertaken.
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And operating via god knows where! Probably VLY lol
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Inaugural Eastern flight tomorrow Newquay-Gatwick.
If Flightradar is to be believed (...) the operating aircraft G-IACZ arrived at NQY tonight from, er, Biggin Hill. |
Originally Posted by ajamieson
(Post 11155959)
Inaugural Eastern flight tomorrow Newquay-Gatwick.
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:ugh:
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry...inst-new-route I wonder how many were on the flight versus how many of these mouth-breathers drove to the airport to stage their protest. |
Anyone know out of interest how the loads on the new EI regional NQY/DUB are looking? Booked on it myself shortly.
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Dublin loads have been very good. Judging by the fares for flights in the next month, the route is doing very well.
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Originally Posted by toon22
(Post 11226570)
Dublin loads have been very good. Judging by the fares for flights in the next month, the route is doing very well.
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Good to see that easyJet will be back next summer on Manchester with an additional Sunday frequency from the end of March.Every little helps......
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The final tranche of summer services beginning this week: easyJet-Glasgow; BA – Heathrow; Edelweiss – Zürich. Also, Eastern have announced the PSO will increase to 17 per week from 11th July. Quite a contrast to almost total closure 16 months ago.
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Loganair, the UK’s largest regional airline, has today announced that it will suspend operations at Cornwall Airport Newquay this winter. Daily services to Manchester and onwards to Aberdeen, together with non-stop flights to Edinburgh and Newcastle, will be completely suspended between November 2022 and March 2023. In all, almost 300 flights scheduled to Newquay over the coming winter season have been withdrawn from the airline’s schedule. We’re most disappointed that short-sighted and short-term decisions by the airport’s management to incentivise unsustainable operations by other airlines leave no prospect of winter flights remaining viable, particularly against a backdrop of high fuel prices and rising inflation. In the meantime, we’ll be directing our efforts towards other UK regional airports such as Southampton, Exeter and Cardiff, where airport managements recognise and appreciate the enormous value that year-round, sustainable regional air services can bring to their communities and local economies.” |
A typical response from Loganair when faced with any competition. Whilst I can understand the MAN route being withdrawn, the NCL/EDI routes are a surprise unless forward bookings are dire.The Bonds have always been hugely risk-averse and while there's no harm in that, it does make you wonder what the future holds for them in what is likely to become a much more competitive market. SOU in particular is likely to become a significant base for Flybe as new aircraft arrive and their Scottish routes are likely to come under even more attack from the new Flybe company. Loganair's success has been mainly predicated on carefully choosing non-competed PSO backed predominantly Scottish highlands and islands flying as well as the LDY PSO that they inherited after engineering the transfer from sister company BMI. I fear for the future of Loganair as the Bonds seem to be losing their appetite for bankrolling it and it's common knowledge in the airline community that they have been peddling it for sale for some time with no takers.
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What about the situation at Newquay? We seem to be in the position that the airport (owned by the County Council) is offering inducements to an airline to compete against a PSO route that is being subsidised by the County Council?
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 11287335)
A typical response from Loganair when faced with any competition. Whilst I can understand the MAN route being withdrawn, the NCL/EDI routes are a surprise unless forward bookings are dire.The Bonds have always been hugely risk-averse and while there's no harm in that, it does make you wonder what the future holds for them in what is likely to become a much more competitive market. SOU in particular is likely to become a significant base for Flybe as new aircraft arrive and their Scottish routes are likely to come under even more attack from the new Flybe company. Loganair's success has been mainly predicated on carefully choosing non-competed PSO backed predominantly Scottish highlands and islands flying as well as the LDY PSO that they inherited after engineering the transfer from sister company BMI. I fear for the future of Loganair as the Bonds seem to be losing their appetite for bankrolling it and it's common knowledge in the airline community that they have been peddling it for sale for some time with no takers.
Loganair has held out in competition to easyJet on MAN/NQY, MAN/ABZ and MAN/IOM and hasn't run away. It's not a "typical response". An airline only needs bankrolling if it's losing money. That's more a question for Flybe than Loganair - Loganair doesn't need "bankrolling". Any company is for sale if the price is right. You don't need to look too far back on the Flybe thread to see that Cyrrus were hawking Flybe around for sale before it had even flown a single passenger. No takers. Funny, that! Leaving Flybe and Eastern to fight it out in NQY is a win/win for Loganair. Both will come off worse from the fight and Loganair won't have lost money watching from the sidelines so will be the strongest of the three out the other side. Leaves plenty of time before battle commences in SOU where the Loganair press blurb makes clear that ground will be defended. Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked. By all means post utter drivel if it helps you feel better, but it really is drivel. |
Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked. |
There is a very thin dividing line between legality and morality.
The fight will be just as much of a grudge match as the first round. I've no doubts as to who will win and that's assuming one of the two contestants even makes it through the next six months to the starting line. |
Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
(Post 11287359)
Truly one of the most satirical posts on here for some time. If you're working for Flybe in some capacity or consultancy (or have an axe to grind post bmir) then it's normal to declare an interest btw.
Loganair has held out in competition to easyJet on MAN/NQY, MAN/ABZ and MAN/IOM and hasn't run away. It's not a "typical response". An airline only needs bankrolling if it's losing money. That's more a question for Flybe than Loganair - Loganair doesn't need "bankrolling". Any company is for sale if the price is right. You don't need to look too far back on the Flybe thread to see that Cyrrus were hawking Flybe around for sale before it had even flown a single passenger. No takers. Funny, that! Leaving Flybe and Eastern to fight it out in NQY is a win/win for Loganair. Both will come off worse from the fight and Loganair won't have lost money watching from the sidelines so will be the strongest of the three out the other side. Leaves plenty of time before battle commences in SOU where the Loganair press blurb makes clear that ground will be defended. Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked. By all means post utter drivel if it helps you feel better, but it really is drivel. There's a difference between "Any company is for sale if the price is right" and the owners actively hawking the company. Perhaps you should ask your superiors and see what they say? I'm not knocking Logans business model in terms of actively searching out non-competed PSOs and making profit out of them. Makes sound business sense. But they are massively risk-verse and hate competition. Flybe have declared that they are looking to grow to 30+ aircraft by 2024 and become the UK/Europe's leading regional carrier and you can bet that there will be significant overlap and encroachment onto Logans current network. It will be interesting to see if Logan stay and fight or run away. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11287342)
What about the situation at Newquay? We seem to be in the position that the airport (owned by the County Council) is offering inducements to an airline to compete against a PSO route that is being subsidised by the County Council?
It's more likely that it's seen as a better use of LHR slots than LBA and with a sound knowledge of the historic market. |
I dunno who the tagged Saab 2000 Driver is but as their profile says they're in Basel, probably nowt to do with Loganair :ugh: At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?
You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair! Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going. The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was? |
Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
(Post 11287412)
I dunno who the tagged Saab 2000 Driver is but as their profile says they're in Basel, probably nowt to do with Loganair :ugh: At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?
You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair! Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going. The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was? |
But they are massively risk-verse and hate competition. Flybe have declared that they are looking to grow to 30+ aircraft by 2024 and become the UK/Europe's leading regional carrier and you can bet that there will be significant overlap and encroachment onto Logans current network. It will be interesting to see if Logan stay and fight or run away. |
LM dropping NQY sends a clear message to the other regional airports it supports. For EXT and SOU dont forget that those are LM, GR and SI hubs where they work together. Kick one they all limp?
If you follow anyone from LM on Linkedin you'll end up seeing a lot of LM content, you'll also have then seen that they've been busy on the south coast sending their sales managers around, supposedly working with the Sales managers from both GR and SI also. They even ventured to the IOW. Either prepping for a fight or most likely... putting the leg work in to build a sustainable business. It comes across to me that Flybe just expected all their old pax to come back without putting in much effort to get them back. |
Good news!
with apparently no press release at all, Emerald have put on sale NQY-BHD for summer ‘23. 4pw, the best - ever frequency to Belfast. Also, Edelweiss returning next year. With APD reducing in April, anyone for Ryanair back on STN? |
Seems like BA have dropped the seasonal LHR.
Eastern have increased LGW to x17 weekly cs |
In the past EZY done NQY from SEN , always good pax figs If EZY were to base aircraft at SEN next year they might want to pick that up
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Ryanair
Faro loaded (but not yet on sale) at 3 pw for S’ 23. Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday. More to come?
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Certainly was more to come.
Ryanair Dublin 3xweekly starts 26th March London Stansted 3x weekly starts 26th March Malaga 2x weekly starts 4th May taken from SeanM on Twitter |
Fingers crossed this doesn’t throw EI off the Dublin
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Courtesy of Sean M1997 on Twitter, Spaceport Cornwall have gain their license frpm the C.A.A. as a spaceport!
regards 4ea |
Eastern add daily EMA on the bases ATR
from Feb cs |
Eastern
Another good sign. Humberside gains a Thursday rotation from May.Reported elsewhere that NQY-FAO has the highest operating margins of all Ryanair routes to the UK from Faro. Hence the third rotation when the route resumes next summer.
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