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Skipness One Foxtrot 19th Mar 2023 23:28

I note you can walk to and exit the gate to the bridge for the railway line but it's exit only. Arrivals need to phone for a bus or walk along the pavement by the road? I guess this is because of local low level crime?
It's not ideal if you are unfamiliar or pressed for time.

BA318 20th Mar 2023 13:48


Originally Posted by Alteagod (Post 11404988)
I think LH need to have a word with themselves about there prices. Seem very steep but at least they operating over winter.

If it just went on sale it could be only high fares loaded at the moment which is common when a flight just goes on sale. Otherwise it's probably a good sign that demand is high enough to charge those prices.

mart901 20th Mar 2023 17:20

BHX going up to 5x daily from July

OltonPete 20th Mar 2023 19:44

BHX
 

Originally Posted by mart901 (Post 11405531)
BHX going up to 5x daily from July

Yes disappointing about the delay but I assume it is waiting for available aircraft. I doubt they would have taken many bookings for the period from 28 April until the end of June as the 5th service was only on sale since the beginning of March.

The BHX press release was quite clever, mentioning the 5th service but it neglected to mention from what date and I assume they knew something was about to change.

Pete

fanrailuk 20th Mar 2023 22:15

MAN
 

fanrailuk 20th Mar 2023 22:16

LTN
 

EI-BUD 21st Mar 2023 05:42

easyJet have been quite clever in filling the gaps from BHD. The obvious gaps that Aer Lingus Regional might logically have filled, examples Liverpool and Bristol.

I would have been my guess that Gatwick can't about as a result of the incentive scheme that came about during covid. Beyond that I was surprised to see Manchester, Glasgow and Luton.

Given that many of the routes are less than daily (e.g. MAN/LTN at 1-3-5-7) make me wonder is this due to some offer by BHD in desperation or a punishment by easyJet to BFS for attracting Ryanair in which goes live next week.

While it's good to see extra routes at any airport, the limited frequency suggests not going to add up to much while limits the potential for other carriers to come in. It would be real progress for the airport if they could attract easyJet to do a Paris or sun route, these could easily be achieved by doing a W from one of the UK hubs like LPL. I'd be quite sure BHD have tried

Flightrider 21st Mar 2023 07:04

It is such a shame that BHD are so hell-bent on chasing short-term recovery in passenger volumes that they are unable to see the likely long-term consequences of this. A very limited easyJet offering still has the effect of depressing average fares and passenger volumes across competing operators' routes at BHD, enabling easyJet to effectively control the entire Belfast market whilst keeping the core of its operation at Belfast International. It is short-sighted in the extreme for BHD to play along with that agenda, of which the airport management appears unable to comprehend the probable consequences.

SWBKCB 21st Mar 2023 08:01

This presumes BHD are offering EZY incentives in some form? If not, then EZY can just rock up and operate the services that make sense for them.

BHD2BFS 21st Mar 2023 10:04

Friday evenings in the summer will be interesting when they have 3 aircraft on the ground at the same time around 16:30. Does the airport have space ?

True Blue 21st Mar 2023 13:40

So Ezy to base an aircraft at Bhd from late June. I think the wonderful easy to get through airport is about to disappear for something a lot more crowded.

GSM763 21st Mar 2023 14:08


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11406023)
So Ezy to base an aircraft at Bhd from late June. I think the wonderful easy to get through airport is about to disappear for something a lot more crowded.

Are they? The MAN flights look like a w-pattern on an LTN based aircraft, rather than a BHD based plane.

True Blue 21st Mar 2023 14:25

Check the app to Lgw from late June.

EI-BUD 21st Mar 2023 14:29


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11405844)
This presumes BHD are offering EZY incentives in some form? If not, then EZY can just rock up and operate the services that make sense for them.

They'd most likely have to get some inventions and to be fair easyJet are in a string bargaining position. Likelihood is that they are on a volume discount at BFS. Genuine x no. of pax and get y discount. So shifting capacity to BHD that BFS could have enjoyed would be detrimental to achieving their targets/ volume discounts at BFS.
My bet would be that they've been handsomely compensated by BHD...

EI-BUD 21st Mar 2023 14:33


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11406042)
Check the app to Lgw from late June.

Well spotted Trueblue. I note that the flights are marked as sold out. There is no commercial sense for easyJet having an Airbus parked from 21:30 at night at BHD, in summer especially doing a flight say from Gatwick to a sun spot , returning much later will be far more commercially attractive. If this is true, relations may be poor at BFS ..

True Blue 21st Mar 2023 18:44

Ezy already quite a number of flights that ran late and broke the curfew, will be a lot worse when this increase in flights gets going.

Stormonttrooper 21st Mar 2023 20:36


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11406142)
Ezy already quite a number of flights that ran late and broke the curfew, will be a lot worse when this increase in flights gets going.

Broke the curfew ?
Which one ?

mart901 21st Mar 2023 21:42


Originally Posted by EI-BUD (Post 11406046)
Well spotted Trueblue. I note that the flights are marked as sold out. There is no commercial sense for easyJet having an Airbus parked from 21:30 at night at BHD, in summer especially doing a flight say from Gatwick to a sun spot , returning much later will be far more commercially attractive. If this is true, relations may be poor at BFS ..

The commercial sense is the rich pickings of business passengers that will yes use LGW over say STN or LTN. With EI and BE gone from LHR there's a gap there imao

EI-BUD 21st Mar 2023 23:37

Mart901,
I've no doubt this connection will do very well. My point is they are forfeiting a daily rotation on an aircraft so that they can operate a BHD 0700 service. If they could depart earlier and arrive later it would make sense. Average fares on such a route in peak summer wouldnt touch a route like Palma, Faro, or Greek island which could be arriving back as late as midnight.

I've seen examples where Ryanair are getting a 737 flying from 05:45 to 01:15 the following morning. That's nearly a 20 hour day. This example at BHD is 14 hours. For this reason no low cost airline will make a base until the opening hours are revisited. On the flip side, I'm guessing they can tap into the locally based crew rather than do an overnighter.

exchanged_gorilla 21st Mar 2023 23:54


Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 11406023)
So Ezy to base an aircraft at Bhd from late June. I think the wonderful easy to get through airport is about to disappear for something a lot more crowded.

Looks like a LGW-based aircraft nightstopping at BHD each night - a bit like they do in INV, MAD, and a few other places.

mboqseif 21st Mar 2023 23:59

It is indeed an LGW based aircraft nightstopping, replacing MAD nightstop

PinOnTheRight 22nd Mar 2023 09:06


Originally Posted by EI-BUD (Post 11406266)
Mart901,
I've no doubt this connection will do very well. My point is they are forfeiting a daily rotation on an aircraft so that they can operate a BHD 0700 service. If they could depart earlier and arrive later it would make sense. Average fares on such a route in peak summer wouldnt touch a route like Palma, Faro, or Greek island which could be arriving back as late as midnight.

I've seen examples where Ryanair are getting a 737 flying from 05:45 to 01:15 the following morning. That's nearly a 20 hour day. This example at BHD is 14 hours. For this reason no low cost airline will make a base until the opening hours are revisited. On the flip side, I'm guessing they can tap into the locally based crew rather than do an overnighter.

Not even Ryanair want every one of their 400+ aircraft operating 20 hour days in summer.

It looks like the aircraft will be LGW based but night stopping at BHD, so unlikely to be the same frame at every night at BHD. It just means it will operate an odd number of sectors like they already do with the INV nightstopper. Could be perfect timing arriving into LGW at 0830 to go onwards to SSH/HRG etc and also means it isn't occupying a stand at LGW overnight, or trying to find another first rotation departure slot out of LGW this summer when the EZY base is expected to exceed 2019 levels.

mart901 10th Apr 2023 11:02

Anyone know the reason for multiple EIR cancellations this morning?

Sharklet7 10th Apr 2023 12:19

What flights have been cancelled?

Alteagod 10th Apr 2023 13:35

Easter Holidays probably

mart901 10th Apr 2023 17:05


Originally Posted by Sharklet7 (Post 11417682)
What flights have been cancelled?

MAN, BHX, LBA, EDI

mart901 10th Apr 2023 17:06


Originally Posted by Alteagod (Post 11417721)
Easter Holidays probably

Only got cancelled last night

allnamestaken1 25th Apr 2023 18:47

Anybody know what the pax figures were on the Lufthansa service.

cuthere 25th Apr 2023 21:25

Bel Tel reported 52 inbound. No idea on the other way.

dantheflyboy 1st May 2023 09:21

Emerald flight cancellations
 
Are Emerald short of an aircraft/crew? planned cancellations today it seems.

TartinTon 1st May 2023 09:26


Originally Posted by dantheflyboy (Post 11428378)
Are Emerald short of an aircraft/crew? planned cancellations today it seems.

On the day or in advance? Not unusual to see some business flights cancelled on a Bank Holiday where there are multiple frequencies.

dantheflyboy 1st May 2023 10:40

Looks like on the day as didn't notice it yesterday when I looked. Happy to be corrected though.

mart901 1st May 2023 13:49

Flew back from BHX on Saturday and there was loads of delays and cancellations. I flew back at 18:45 and landed home before the passengers off both previous flights.




dantheflyboy 2nd May 2023 11:51

I know Saturday there were delays due bad weather. Flight to Cardiff diverted to Liverpool after failed attempts at landing but to Emeralds credit they did fly back to Cardiff from Liverpool and landed successfully. Also the Isle of man had several attempts but ended up back in Belfast. I believe an aircraft was tech in Birmingham too.

dantheflyboy 12th May 2023 09:25

Emerald flight cancellations ongoing.
 
Am I the only person curious about the daily cancellations from Emerald. Nobody seems to talk about it, why? When ever flybe2 cancelled anything people were all over it. I do like Emerald as an airline and have seen robust operations with good time keeping. I am curious as to the reason why these cancellations are happening. Is the issue with crewing levels/ aircraft availability / EU reg v UK reg / or high competition from other airlines causing low passenger numbers and hence planned schedule reductions to secure finances? Thoughts anyone?

SWBKCB 12th May 2023 11:14

Aircraft/crew availability? Seem to be a number of flights being operated by EI- registered a/c recently

BHD2BFS 24th May 2023 22:22

With easyJet starting to publish it's winter schedule can we expect anything new from Belfast city?

ib26uk 24th May 2023 22:25


Originally Posted by BHD2BFS (Post 11439957)
With easyJet starting to publish it's winter schedule can we expect anything new from Belfast city?

We shall see tomorrow...

SealinkBF 25th May 2023 08:13


Originally Posted by dantheflyboy (Post 11433649)
Am I the only person curious about the daily cancellations from Emerald. Nobody seems to talk about it, why? When ever flybe2 cancelled anything people were all over it. I do like Emerald as an airline and have seen robust operations with good time keeping. I am curious as to the reason why these cancellations are happening. Is the issue with crewing levels/ aircraft availability / EU reg v UK reg / or high competition from other airlines causing low passenger numbers and hence planned schedule reductions to secure finances? Thoughts anyone?

My friends flight from Exeter to. Belfast City was diverted to Dublin with a bus to. Belfast. Any idea why?

dantheflyboy 25th May 2023 16:28

There seems to be a wall of silence on this issue.


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