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Originally Posted by FlyboyUK
(Post 11181335)
And presuming things go to plan there will be some orange tails parked up at the south terminal this summer too.
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Skipness, I have heard from several sources that easyjet will be operating some flights from South Terminal this Summer. I believe they will be the series numbered 6xxx. I think it is because they are increasing their based fleet to some 79 aircraft. With other airlines based in North planning a return or increased frequencies there probably is not the capacity for North to take all the extra flights. BA have also leased some slots to easyjet, so maybe operationally easier to operate these from South, I don’t know for sure.
I am also not sure which destinations are operating from South, maybe some of their summer seasonal services. I also believe easyjet are leasing in aircraft from Smartlynx and maybe Titan. . |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11181412)
Hang on, the whole point of shifting BA out was to ensure easyJet could be under one roof. With traffic still well down on 2019, why would easyJet need to be split over two terminals?
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I also think a lot of the Gatwick leisure airlines are reporting very heavy bookings for Summer 2022 for Gatwick departures.
Sorry Vokes55 our posts crossed. |
I agree with vokes55 regarding the recovery of the short haul leisure and VFR market. Gatwick suffered a great deal when the pandemic affected this sector but the upside is that it will recover quite quickly as this market is now improving rapidly.
British Airways have also hugely expanded their Heathrow short haul leisure this year capture some of that market. It’s been a while since BA operated 4 or 5 flights daily to Malaga, Palma, Faro etc… from Heathrow, I also hear bookings at BA Euroflyer are doing well. I also have been told that the BA Mainline long haul from Gatwick is doing well in all cabins to leisure destinations. |
Scheduled flights /= passenger volumes, I'd be surprised if we're back to pre COVID levels in only four months time. Capacity is on sale but until masks and testing ends, the uncertainty will continue to suppress travel demand.
However my question was, even at 2019 peak, EZY was in one terminal. Why would that change if South re-opens and Virgin have no flights this summer and WestJet are moving YYC to LHR? Seems odd, anyone know? |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11181464)
Scheduled flights /= passenger volumes, I'd be surprised if we're back to pre COVID levels in only four months time. Capacity is on sale but until masks and testing ends, the uncertainty will continue to suppress travel demand.
However my question was, even at 2019 peak, EZY was in one terminal. Why would that change if South re-opens and Virgin have no flights this summer and WestJet are moving YYC to LHR? Seems odd, anyone know? Also, has there been any word on VS possibly returning to LGW? |
Those of us travelling to/from Gatwick by train would far prefer as much flying as possible to be in the South terminal... even if it means having to check whether a particular route is in North or South
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11181474)
Those of us travelling to/from Gatwick by train would far prefer as much flying as possible to be in the South terminal... even if it means having to check whether a particular route is in North or South
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We can question it as much as we like but that is what is planned. Wizzair will also have a much greater presence in the Summer 2022. I am not sure what terminal in which they will be based.
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Originally Posted by vectisman
(Post 11181494)
We can question it as much as we like but that is what is planned. Wizzair will also have a much greater presence in the Summer 2022. I am not sure what terminal in which they will be based.
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I meant a greater presence at Gatwick.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11181464)
Scheduled flights /= passenger volumes, I'd be surprised if we're back to pre COVID levels in only four months time. Capacity is on sale but until masks and testing ends, the uncertainty will continue to suppress travel demand.
However my question was, even at 2019 peak, EZY was in one terminal. Why would that change if South re-opens and Virgin have no flights this summer and WestJet are moving YYC to LHR? Seems odd, anyone know? easy were actually planning a small South operation in Summer 2020, so it’s not a totally new phenomenon. As for whether we will be back at pre-Covid levels in four months, time will tell. But short haul leisure and VFR are the two markets bouncing back quickest, and that’s what’s currently in the schedule for LGW. This morning TUI reported stronger sales for this summer than 2019, and whilst they’re only a small part of the Gatwick operation, it is a bellwether for the state of the outbound leisure market. |
Things do seem to be on the up.
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Originally Posted by vectisman
(Post 11181494)
We can question it as much as we like but that is what is planned. Wizzair will also have a much greater presence in the Summer 2022. I am not sure what terminal in which they will be based.
London Gatwick with easyJet | easyJet Very interesting. I wonder what zone they'll be based in? From memory, they had zone C before BA took over.. |
BA Gatwick based fleet looking to be about 30 aircraft at moment. 18 Airbus A319/320 for short haul plus about 12 777s. Up to 4 Iberia Express available too.
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
(Post 11181523)
easy were actually planning a small South operation in Summer 2020, so it’s not a totally new phenomenon.
When BA were at their peak bussing from the 130s and 140s was common, but all check in and facilities were in one terminal. Now it seems that easyJet are too big for one terminal (and let's reflect how impressive that is and how dominant they are at LGW) then the option of processing through one terminal and bussing would still be there, but why make use of South too? There's roughly 39 pier served gates on the North Terminal on Piers 4,5 and 6, and arriving heavies will be taking their place when the first wave departs. If easyJet have 79 based aircraft then good luck Gatwick, that doesn't sound like fun. |
Thanks all, do you think the Yotel will reopen soon then? Don't want to book something else outside the terminal if it's on the cards.
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Originally Posted by azzbo
(Post 11181587)
Thanks all, do you think the Yotel will reopen soon then? Don't want to book something else outside the terminal if it's on the cards.
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Perhaps you could contact Yotel and ask them when they intend to reopen ?
If the people managing the hotel don't know... https://www.yotel.com/en/contact-us |
Can you not email the company and ask them when they are re-opening?
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Skipness, I am sure Gatwick will cope with 79 EasyJet. Don’t forget BA have about 12 less SH aircraft for 2022, Norwegian’s presence is less plus Thomas Cook is gone. Overall total based aircraft from all airlines will be similar to 2019. I am sure Gatwick is happy to have the ‘problem’ of so many based aircraft after the past two years.
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It’s also not a new problem to Gatwick, by virtue of the fact that it’s always been an airport where the majority of flights are with based aircraft that start and end the day there. There will always be not enough gates in the morning and too many during the day.
Even back to pre-EZY days in 2002/3, when the airport was full of the larger 757/767s that would leave for the Med every morning. At least 8 different charter airlines were based in Gatwick, which would’ve added up to a fairly similar number as EZY have today. Perhaps a little less noticeable because many of the charter airlines back in those days would come in at 2230 and go out again an hour later. Alas, the arrival of EZY and EU261 largely put a stop to the round the clock operation. Nostalgia. |
Do we know if the 79 based EZY frames include the SmartLynx leased ones as well?
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Pier 6 Extension
During the height of the COVID-19 pandemic Gatwick Airport Limited put on hold the construction of the North Terminal Pier 6 extension which would have allowed for up to severn extra gates with airbridges. If and when this project resumes or more to the point if it had been completed would it have been enough to have accommodated those extra flights planned by easyJet that are scheduled for the South Terminal.
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Adding to the above, does anyone know wether the EZY South terminal operation is a temporary/seasonal measure only? Or is it likely to be year-round?
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With the 79 based EZYs, do they all overnight in LGW, or does that figure include any that night-stop overseas or utilised overnight with a first wave arrival?
Considering FR does a similar sized operation from STN by volume with only 45-50 based (due to there being a lot more non-based flying), this does seem cripplingly inefficient from a LGW perspective. |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11181617)
Perhaps you could contact Yotel and ask them when they intend to reopen ?
If the people managing the hotel don't know... https://www.yotel.com/en/contact-us |
Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 11181734)
With the 79 based EZYs, do they all overnight in LGW, or does that figure include any that night-stop overseas or utilised overnight with a first wave arrival?
Considering FR does a similar sized operation from STN by volume with only 45-50 based (due to there being a lot more non-based flying), this does seem cripplingly inefficient from a LGW perspective. |
Officially announced this morning Gatwick South will re-open on March 27th.
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South Terminal
Fantastic to see this finally confirmed! On my recent visit to LGW, I was in South terminal very briefly and it was awful seeing it deserted and devoid of life compared to when I last flew out from there with CX to HKG in February 2020 :( So it'll be good seeing it come to life again later next month! :) The terminal page at LGW has also been updated with all South-based airlines moving back, but is missing Scoot; are they likely to be remaining in the North terminal or move South when BKK/SIN recommences?
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
(Post 11179433)
Freebird. The carrier had planned a twice-weekly Antalya service from Gatwick commencing in May 2022, but will now offer this four times a week following promising early sales.
Flights will operate on Monday, Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday. Freebird will also launch a twice-weekly service from Gatwick to Bodrum, also commencing in May, operating on Tuesday and Friday. This will complement the existing Antalya services from Manchester, already operating twice weekly. Carl Denton, UK sales representative, said: “Following our launch during the restrictions of the pandemic, we are now very encouraged to see consumer confidence return and bookings pick up. “In reaction to this we are pleased to have secured the necessary cleared slots at Gatwick to ensure we can meet this demand and grow back the capacity to Turkey.” He added Freebird was happy to work with agents. “We are keen to engage and encourage travel agents to offer Freebird flights to their clients and also discuss technical solutions to ensure they have the best access to the flights Freebird offers from the UK.” https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/more-t...ing%20Bulletin |
Traveling through Gatwick this evening. You’d have thought that, given the misery that the industry has been through that the airport would be pulling out the stops so that now that people are flying again it would be a pleasant experience. So why were there massive queues at security with the x-ray machines repeatedly stopping for several minutes? When we eventually got through I heard one passenger comment “Gatwick’s back to its crappy self”. Difficult to sympathise with airport management complaining about the inconvenience to passengers of the likes of passenger locator forms when they are failing to effectively manage the things they can control.
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
(Post 11191732)
Traveling through Gatwick this evening. You’d have thought that, given the misery that the industry has been through that the airport would be pulling out the stops so that now that people are flying again it would be a pleasant experience. So why were there massive queues at security with the x-ray machines repeatedly stopping for several minutes? When we eventually got through I heard one passenger comment “Gatwick’s back to its crappy self”. Difficult to sympathise with airport management complaining about the inconvenience to passengers of the likes of passenger locator forms when they are failing to effectively manage the things they can control.
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Maybe there was a fault with the machinery. Generally Gatwick has a good reputation for security queues so maybe your experience was just unfortunate. I personally do not believe
managers deliberately keep queue times up or down. In the context of the present situation in Europe maybe a wait at security is the least thing to moan about. I must stress this is just my personal opinion and no offence intended. |
The security queue was horrendous on Saturday morning too. But good to see the terminal bustling with people like mid summer
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Things will probably improve when South Terminal re-opens on March 27th. At the moment North Terminal is operating above capacity
on some days especially during the half term period. |
Gatwick
Emirates have cancelled the planned winter EK12 service that was scheduled to depart at 0940.
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Originally Posted by brianj
(Post 11193306)
Emirates have cancelled the planned winter EK12 service that was scheduled to depart at 0940.
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Any news on China Airlines - London to Taipei service returning to Gatwick?
Not heard any news about Scoot pulling out, but nothing on their website from London is bookable. I guess it was always inevitable, the long haul routes would be harder to restore than the European ones, and carriers would be focusing on restoring capacity to LHR before LGW, which acts more as an overflow. |
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