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Departing pax cap of 100,000 extended to end of October
https://news.sky.com/story/heathrow-...tober-12673916 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62550600 Once schools resume in early September, a lot of the bottlenecks should presumably clear - i.e. many of the once per year travellers disappear, children largely disappear, to be replaced by regular travellers who need less hand-holding to make their way through the airport. I suspect that what appears in the news is less than half the story... anyone able to explain what's really going on, what the root cause of the problem is now (not what the problem was 3 months ago), and why the cap needs to be extended until the end of October instead of ending in early September (with maybe a brief re-imposition over half term in October) ? |
Lots of students for a start...
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11279000)
anyone able to explain what's really going on, what the root cause of the problem is now
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Originally Posted by nguba
(Post 11266744)
If the issue is solely a lack of airline ground handling staff then why impose a blanket cap across all airlines?
If an airline is able to attest it has sufficient resources then why should it be penalised for the failings of their rivals? |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 11279066)
Starts with a b, ends with a t. You can’t mention it though, but if you do it definitely won’t be that it’ll be something else.
If by Brexit you mean there's now a more limited supply of young and keen novices who'll be willing to work for appaling money until they wisen up and move on then you might have a point, otherwise you'll find that basement terms and conditions had hit rock bottom for getting to a West London airport at 4am on a zero hours contract post pandemic just isn't something you or I would do.There's not enough people daft enough to work for poverty wages anymore, supply and demand has benefits as well as pittfalls IMHO. Depends from where you're sipping a latte really.... The fact that furlough ending meant that many previousy loyal people were dropped by 3rd party handlers very quickly meant there was no motivation to come back to the same employer, and so many simply left the industry. And who can blame them? |
Heathrow says a key issue is lack of baggage handlers.
Then why restrict passengers who are on that new industry phenomena, hand baggage only fares ? And before anyone says "Oooh, there are other problems as well", the Heathrow PR today specifically mentioned just the baggage handlers. |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11279074)
Also starts with 'B' and ends with 't; but has "bull" in there as well
The point about lousy pay and unsocial hours is a fair and plausible one if you’re looking at Heathrow in absolute isolation. The problem is there’s plenty of sectors struggling and they aren’t all low wage low skill. Even if it’s a small part of the problem the B word is ‘never’ a factor and until we can have an honest conversation about that and how we sensibly manage and mitigate, the country and economy will continue to limp on. |
A departing cap of 100,000, what about arrivals, how will they get home, and who will handle the incoming baggage?🤣
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11279000)
Departing pax cap of 100,000 extended to end of October ... why the cap needs to be extended until the end of October instead of ending in early September
Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary said: "While hopeless Heathrow continues to cut flights and raise fares for families, Ryanair and London Stansted continue to add flights, and offer thousands of low-fare seats for the autumn midterm break." |
A friend came in from Nuremberg on BA a few days ago post Wagner opera. BA flight 2hrs late and bags collection took 1.5 hrs at LHR. He is surprised I never use the place unless my arm is almost broken.
Cheers Mr Mac |
Virgin/SkyTeam
With Virgin now joining SkyTeam, Terminal 3 is fast becoming the new home it seems of the SkyTeam alliance at Heathrow, along with Delta and Air France/KLM to name a few.
Is this part of a longer term plan and to potentially shift OneWorld into Terminal 4? - Or would this be totally unachievable with current capacity? |
SkyTeam were in T4, they only moved Delta across because they wanted to be able to use the Virgin Clubhouse. It is noticeable that once T4 reopened, Air France, KLM, and Aeromexico all stayed in T3. This leaves T4 with China Eastern, ITA, Kenya Airways, Korean Air, Saudia, TAROM and Vietnam Airlines. MEA was always T3 and never made the T4 move and China Airlines remains in T2.
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Any news on the taxiway and additional stands between T2 and the pier finally opening? Never known A project like that take so long. The stands must be very much needed by now. Also the taxiway will save tonnes of fuel.
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It's only one maybe two more stands? Stand 236 has become 237 to make it 231-233 and 237-239 so currently six in use with eight on the 240s on the other side, so probably two more gates to come.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11303709)
It's only one maybe two more stands? Stand 236 has become 237 to make it 231-233 and 237-239 so currently six in use with eight on the 240s on the other side, so probably two more gates to come.
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"The taxiway will save so much fuel so really surprised there hasn’t been more urgency to get this completed. "
it would save the Airlines money - but not LHR plc :( |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11305710)
"The taxiway will save so much fuel so really surprised there hasn’t been more urgency to get this completed. "
it would save the Airlines money - but not LHR plc :( |
Have heard Kilo middle section will be finished in a week or so but work is planned in the northern section straight after lasting for several weeks so through route probably open early December.
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Originally Posted by Musket90
(Post 11305805)
Have heard Kilo middle section will be finished in a week or so but work is planned in the northern section straight after lasting for several weeks so through route probably open early December.
Regarding Terminal 1, does anyone know why it hasn't already been partially demolished. I would have thought that the adjoining and unused car park would have at least been demolished by now. I'm looking forward to the day when Terminal 1 is finally demolished and construction of the Terminal 2 extension along with Terminal 2C finally gets underway. |
Sotonsean - New underground baggage system for T2 which is extremely complex and a major project, The excavations to do this were massive, plus of course delays due Covid etc. .
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"Airline benefits surely equals pressure from the AOC on HAL"
a mere bagatelle compared to the pressure from the owners to get those dividends flowing I'm afraid |
I had reason to visit Heathrow yesterday in search of the drop off for Terminal 3. What a nightmare. All was going well until we got close to the terminal’s short term car park where the signage ended. I was left with the option of entering the multi-storey in the hope that the ground floor was the drop off zone or now following the airport exit signs. More by luck than judgement I decided to follow the exit signs and eventually came across the drop off zone on the left.
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Originally Posted by Musket90
(Post 11305805)
Have heard Kilo middle section will be finished in a week or so but work is planned in the northern section straight after lasting for several weeks so through route probably open early December.
One other thing I find strange is why some of the stands at the T5 piers don’t have air bridges. Can’t see any reason from Google maps why all the stands couldn’t have air bridges and indeed the stands at the T2 pier all have them. |
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
(Post 11306387)
Thanks for confirming. Would be good to see this finally finished.
One other thing I find strange is why some of the stands at the T5 piers don’t have air bridges. Can’t see any reason from Google maps why all the stands couldn’t have air bridges and indeed the stands at the T2 pier all have them. |
"557 has THE longest walk from the gate to the airbridge on the airport."
i doubt its as long as some of the distances in Changi T2 |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11306389)
The size of the satellites was downsized when BAA / HAL cut the funding, so the building isn't as long as the parking apron. With T5B it means that stand 531 is remote as is 541, adjacent 542 is served by a very, very long glass walkway to the gate. T5C is similar and even smaller with 567 and 568 remote as well as 551 and 558. 557 has THE longest walk from the gate to the airbridge on the airport.
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PIA to lease 7x weekly slots to Turkish Airlines in Winter 2022
Royal Brunei Airlines to lease 2x weekly slots to Air Mauritius in Winter 2022 (MK increases to 5x weekly in total) Source: via @SeanM1997 on Twitter |
Heathrow August 2022
Top 20 International Routes (% compared to 2019):
Source: CAA |
Surely Milan-Linate was served in 2019?
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 11307402)
Surely Milan-Linate was served in 2019, with Alitalia?
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 11307402)
Surely Milan-Linate was served in 2019?
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Linate was closed from late July until October 2019 for runway resurfacing
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Linate was closed from late July until October 2019 for runway resurfacing |
Taxiway Kilo
Taxiway Kilo is no longer a cul-de-sac. Taxiway Kilo officially re-opened this morning Thursday 6 October with the first aircraft using it getting a water cannon salute.
Although this has only recently been discussed there appears to be absolutely nothing regarding the construction on the Heathrow Airport website or the construction company's. No updates online whatsoever. I read about the re-opening and saw the photo on LinkedIn a couple of hours ago. |
Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11309132)
Taxiway Kilo is no longer a cul-de-sac. Taxiway Kilo officially re-opened this morning Thursday 6 October
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As mentioned previously I understand the north end of Kilo will be closed off shortly until early December for lighting related works.
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11309132)
Taxiway Kilo is no longer a cul-de-sac. Taxiway Kilo officially re-opened this morning Thursday 6 October with the first aircraft using it getting a water cannon salute.
Although this has only recently been discussed there appears to be absolutely nothing regarding the construction on the Heathrow Airport website or the construction company's. No updates online whatsoever. I read about the re-opening and saw the photo on LinkedIn a couple of hours ago. |
Was NOTAMed
TRIGGER NOTAM - PERM AIRAC AIP AMDT 10/22 WEF 06 OCT 22. TWY K COMPLETE. NEW HOLD K2. BEALINE APRON EDITORIAL. NEW STANDS 235 AND 236. 06 OCT 00:00 2022 UNTIL 19 OCT 23:59 2022. CREATED: 25 AUG 00:05 2022 |
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