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Una Due Tfc 29th Jul 2023 13:07


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 11475949)
The EI and EI UK fleets cannot be substituted for each other as they’re on different AOC and different national registrations.


They can for short term issues. When G-EILA needed a new FADEC a few months back, EI-DUZ subbed in. Reserve DUB based crews are called in at short notice, take the spare ship over to MAN, and off they go…..if all goes to plan at least.

The G and EI airframes/crews cannot operate for each other in a scheduled long term fashion, but can perform unplanned leases/rescue flights for one another if needed to cover tech issues etc.

Rutan16 29th Jul 2023 16:08


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 11475988)
EIUK passengers are routinely rerouted onto VS during times of disruption.

As for using EI mainline A/C, yes, they have used EI reg before, however, this is all planned in advanced and they must use mainline crews. I’m assuming when Una Due Tfc posted regarding the spare aircraft, that the implication is that you could just fly in the spare from DUB and operate by EIUK crews which is not the case.

You have literally said the same thing using a differing set of words, and syntax !


Airfrance7 30th Jul 2023 08:46

EK21
 
Apologies if already posted. EK21 currently using B777. Any reason why A380 is not being used?

Rutan16 30th Jul 2023 09:44


Originally Posted by Airfrance7 (Post 11476295)
Apologies if already posted. EK21 currently using B777. Any reason why A380 is not being used?

Utilisation, frame availability and the range of onward connections on the first wave from Europe (mostly India).

There remain about 32 parked including 6 high density two class frames and one of these has now been deployed down at Birmingham . A6-EOQ ,R and X (all high density) are currently being worked on at Dubai for re-entry into service shortly.
The 77w also delivers an incidental increase in cargo capacity right now.

The 380 is scheduled return in September

Navpi 30th Jul 2023 11:24

In the last 12 months Manchester has come ahead of London in surveys by National Geographic and Lonely Planet. Manchester is the only UK city to make both prestigious lists. Manchester also made top spot in Conde Nast Traveller and Time Out magazine for 2023. If one adds in US visitors to the surrounding regions we really should be doing much better but with no home based airline it is a struggle to fully exploit this popularity.











SWBKCB 30th Jul 2023 11:32


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 11476363)
In the last 12 months Manchester has come ahead of London in surveys by National Geographic and Lonely Planet. Manchester is the only UK city to make both prestigious lists. Manchester also made top spot in Conde Nast Traveller and Time Out magazine for 2023. If one adds in US visitors to the surrounding regions we really should be doing much better but with no home based airline it is a struggle to fully exploit this popularity.

Doesn't seem to be impacting on Edinburgh's transatlantic growth?

pabely 30th Jul 2023 12:28

Got to agree, a local based airline has zero to do with this.
Reading these surveys a pull is a visit to soccer grounds, not as if soccer is a pull for majority of US visitors. City obviously have a Global airline as major sponsors and the other, well had Aeroflot!
I have US friends who did Europe earlier in year. They said Manchester could have been done in a day, Liverpool better yo see & do, Scotland they could have spent weeks, same as Dublin, London & Paris, months! Thus Manchester was only a tickbox! I must add, extended family from ages 13-46 so a few different things each wanted to see/experience.

Navpi 30th Jul 2023 13:21


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11476390)
Got to agree, a local based airline has zero to do with this.
Reading these surveys a pull is a visit to soccer grounds, not as if soccer is a pull for majority of US visitors. City obviously have a Global airline as major sponsors and the other, well had Aeroflot!
I have US friends who did Europe earlier in year. They said Manchester could have been done in a day, Liverpool better yo see & do, Scotland they could have spent weeks, same as Dublin, London & Paris, months! Thus Manchester was only a tickbox! I must add, extended family from ages 13-46 so a few different things each wanted to see/experience.

Well i "think" i have understood the message.
I'll be sure to drop the editors of those titles an email and indicate that their readers are clearly incorrect.

pabely 30th Jul 2023 14:18

I think you will find most US citizens will book via Intrepid, Booking, Airnub, Expedia etc.not through some paid publications, as nice as those Magazines are, I wouldn't say they are main stream influences on travel.

Rutan16 30th Jul 2023 14:24


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11476390)
Got to agree, a local based airline has zero to do with this.
Reading these surveys a pull is a visit to soccer grounds, not as if soccer is a pull for majority of US visitors. City obviously have a Global airline as major sponsors and the other, well had Aeroflot!
I have US friends who did Europe earlier in year. They said Manchester could have been done in a day, Liverpool better yo see & do, Scotland they could have spent weeks, same as Dublin, London & Paris, months! Thus Manchester was only a tickbox! I must add, extended family from ages 13-46 so a few different things each wanted to see/experience.

Visit Scotland has done a fabulous job internationally in recent times marketing Edinburgh, The Highlands, Nessie, Golf, Shortbread, Whisky and Tartan (even through most have nothing to directly do with the first)

On the other hand Visit England demonstrably ignore most of the country that can’t be viewed from a 1 hour coach drive of Grosvenor Place. They are bloody hopeless

This is compounded even domestically by competition from Manchester , Liverpool , Chester and York .

There are as many interesting facts and points of history across those four cities as there are in Scotland, including one the worlds leading links Golf courses at St Annes, Castles and Cathedrals galore, scenery. the home of the Industrial Revolution , railways, music in both Manchester (Joy Division , Factory Records), Liverpool (Beatles, Cavern Club) and as reported not for the first time by Condé Naste Manchester scores highly on art culture nightlife and cuisine.

What the area lacks is a competent dedicated tourism agency that promotes the area internationally - A Visit North/Industrial Revolution as it were.


pabely 30th Jul 2023 14:37

Exactly, Manchester needs a dedicated Visit Manchester team to raise the profile of the whole area just like many US cities have, relying on some publications does get your voice heard in the US mindset. The City & MAG need to get their act together more.

SWBKCB 30th Jul 2023 14:40


music in both Manchester (Joy Division , Factory Records),
I think 10CC and Strawberry Studio's would be a greater attraction for most Americans :rolleyes:

pabely 30th Jul 2023 14:47

I must add I had Dutch friends visit NW in Spring and used Manchester Airport for 7 day holiday. It was only a cheap vehicle for travels having Liverpool, Chester & Stratford Upon Avon being their prime bucket list items. They did spend one night in Manchester to do Old Trafford only! I did question why not more time in Manchester, not a big draw, even after visiting. Their words, not mine.

HOVIS 30th Jul 2023 15:04

That's because Manchester is a dump. The city centre is filthy.

pabely 30th Jul 2023 15:11

And I quote "Manchester itself isn’t a beautiful city. Seems a little grey city, in a already known grey land over the weather" they won't be going back!

Navpi 30th Jul 2023 15:26


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 11476432)
Visit Scotland has done a fabulous job internationally in recent times marketing Edinburgh, The Highlands, Nessie, Golf, Shortbread, Whisky and Tartan (even through most have nothing to directly do with the first)

On the other hand Visit England demonstrably ignore most of the country that can’t be viewed from a 1 hour coach drive of Grosvenor Place. They are bloody hopeless

This is compounded even domestically by competition from Manchester , Liverpool , Chester and York .

There are as many interesting facts and points of history across those four cities as there are in Scotland, including one the worlds leading links Golf courses at St Annes, Castles and Cathedrals galore, scenery. the home of the Industrial Revolution , railways, music in both Manchester (Joy Division , Factory Records), Liverpool (Beatles, Cavern Club) and as reported not for the first time by Condé Naste Manchester scores highly on art culture nightlife and cuisine.

What the area lacks is a competent dedicated tourism agency that promotes the area internationally - A Visit North/Industrial Revolution as it were.

Yes hence my remark about VisitBritain moving to Birmingham and not up here.

Given a few on here dislike Manchester maybe they could also move there.





chaps1954 30th Jul 2023 15:41

HOVIS go back to sleep Manchester is a fantastic city and happens to be the 3rd city for US coming to UK

pabely 30th Jul 2023 15:48

Perhaps you should blame the local government and agencies for not promoting a better case.
https://www.ukinbound.org/member-new...rmingham-base/

Rutan16 30th Jul 2023 15:52


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11476438)
I think 10CC and Strawberry Studio's would be a greater attraction for most Americans :rolleyes:

Na agree to differ Joy Division , New Order (lesser Warsaw) are exceptionally well know in the US

To others I was being frank that the area and dedicated tourism body (if there were one) must encompass the wider North not just the one city and as demonstrated by Visit Scotland !

Hovis you are mean , and viewing from blinkered local eyes ;)

Plenty ugly about the majority of the prime UK inbound tourist point and similarly for that of Europes biggest as well, want to explore Paris Brutalist suburbs such as Cité de la Maladrerie in Aurbervilliers or across much of the east of the city -I have from an educational point of view but probably not after dark

Rutan16 30th Jul 2023 15:57


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11476467)
Perhaps you should blame the local government and agencies for not promoting a better case.
https://www.ukinbound.org/member-new...rmingham-base/

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