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Originally Posted by AlwaysWatching1
(Post 11365037)
Currently every stand is full overnight, those units all leave from 6am and comeback during the day perhaps operating in/out 2 or 3 times. That currently gives us circa 27m throughput per annum, but if you cannot bring more aircraft in with more stand space , which you cant, then you are somewhat knackered, its been completely boxed in.
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AlwaysWatching1 , 12th Jan 2023 19:34
Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ? It would have to achieve growth in the order of 50% ? Currently every stand is full overnight, those units all leave from 6am and comeback during the day perhaps operating in/out 2 or 3 times. That currently gives us circa 27m throughput per annum, but if you cannot bring more aircraft in with more stand space , which you cant, then you are somewhat knackered, its been completely boxed At 5 am this morning,, New pier STDs 104 - 112 were bereft of departing flights, barring a solitary KLM 737. that was later accompanied by QR, CX, EY arrivals. |
Originally Posted by AlwaysWatching1
(Post 11365037)
Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ?
It would have to achieve growth in the order of 50% ? Currently every stand is full overnight, those units all leave from 6am and comeback during the day perhaps operating in/out 2 or 3 times. That currently gives us circa 27m throughput per annum, but if you cannot bring more aircraft in with more stand space , which you cant, then you are somewhat knackered, its been completely boxed in. You would be relying on a massive tranche of feed equivalent to 50 based aircraft from an operator such as say WIZZ with a leg up from maybe away based units from the likes of RYR or EZY. But is the airport not light years away from getting anywhere above even 30m if you can fit more aircraft in ? I appreciate you could try and get higher load factors, increase Winter flights, increase night flights but that is all out of the airports hands and in any case somewhat cosmetic. I cannot see where the massive push will come from to add the missing 15m passengers ? PS Does anybody know if the airport PR on twitter , facebook etc is outsourced to an off airport agency, if you DM them they never seem to have any technical answers. There are now less stands available at the legacy T2 due to the refurbishment work in progress, (I think around 5) but the B gates in the new T2 are dedicated for bussing passengers to their aircraft. I believe there are about 30 (ish) remote stands across T2 and the western/cargo aprons. Next summer will be interesting as there will be more based aircraft and new services that use T2... |
Ryanair are basing an additional aircraft this summer (from 16-17?). Which routes will this additional aircraft fly?
I know Ryanair applied for slot to Toulouse from MAN last year, for this coming summer. But even now, there is no flights loaded into the Ryanair app/website, so I can only assume the slots were either rejected or Ryanair now have no plans to serve this route... |
True but 7 or 8 stands will be filled in another 8 weeks or so as the summer season kicks in but that will be a cosmetic difference will it not ?
Plus the new stands on another pier will surely make things worse. You can can utilise a lot more aircraft on an apron than you can on a pier covering the same apron area ? So riddle me how we get to 30m let alone 45m? Adding yet another pier whilst excellent for the customer experience makes utilisation of space worse ? We seem to be getting tighter and tighter on space rather than matching capacity to increasing demand ? |
Originally Posted by AlwaysWatching1
(Post 11367465)
True but 7 or 8 stands will be filled in another 8 weeks or so as the summer season kicks in but that will be a cosmetic difference will it not ?
Plus the new stands on another pier will surely make things worse. You can can utilise a lot more aircraft on an apron than you can on a pier covering the same apron area ? So riddle me how we get to 30m let alone 45m? Adding yet another pier whilst excellent for the customer experience makes utilisation of space worse ? We seem to be getting tighter and tighter on space rather than matching capacity to increasing demand ? This link shows the airfield maps and stand allocations, slightly out of date now as around 4/5 of the T2 legacy stands are now out of use due to the refurbishment works in progress. https://www.tasmanchester.com/airportinfo But we know that from this summer, there will be a lot more bussing passengers to stands from T2 with TUI and Jet2 in particular, due to the loss of the contact stands in T2 and the yet to be finished second pier (Pier B). Pier B at T2 today is for bussing passengers (B gates), but the second phase of this pier will include aircraft parking stands. And finally, the third pier (Pier C) will include (at the moment) two A380 capable stands, along with other narrow body and widebody stands. T1 will then close. I expect T3 to have some improvements made, including an extension...so after all this (predicated around 2028/29) we might see close (ish) to 35-40 million passengers? I'm sure 45m is further away that this decade...but that's just my thinking... |
Aer Lingus A330 EI-EDY seems to be working out of MAN for Aer Lingus UK at the moment. Been based since 9th-Jan, I thought that sort of cover wasn't permissable post Brexit? Or is it strictly time limited?
Is it UK based crews or Dublin fleet operating? |
Not only the 330 but also the 321 Ei- LRE is currently in use on the New York rotation as well.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11367673)
Aer Lingus A330 EI-EDY seems to be working out of MAN for Aer Lingus UK at the moment. Been based since 9th-Jan, I thought that sort of cover wasn't permissable post Brexit? Or is it strictly time limited?
Is it UK based crews or Dublin fleet operating? |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11367673)
Aer Lingus A330 EI-EDY seems to be working out of MAN for Aer Lingus UK at the moment. Been based since 9th-Jan, I thought that sort of cover wasn't permissable post Brexit? Or is it strictly time limited?
Is it UK based crews or Dublin fleet operating? |
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Originally Posted by Stockportcounty
(Post 11367935)
https://www.ft.com/content/7088cb2f-...f-971b483dbf17 |
Originally Posted by Rutan16
(Post 11367801)
Not only the 330 but also the 321 Ei- LRE is currently in use on the New York rotation as well.
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Easyjet are adding MAN - ORY with 5 weekly flights from March 27 in addition to their CDG service,.
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SNOCLO this morning and plenty of diversions.
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Originally Posted by ImPlaneCrazy
(Post 11369328)
SNOCLO this morning and plenty of diversions.
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Read for a laugh
the Consumer Choice Center has unveiled the results of its first annual European Airport Consumer Index, highlighting the top 10 airports in Europe in terms of their ease of use for passengers. We have all the details of the top 10 and we find out This is the first index of its kind in Europe, and aims to inform both consumers and managers as to which airports best accommodate passengers. The top 10 best airports in Europe for passenger ease of use are as follows:
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That list must have the wrong title, surely MAN makes it into the 10 worst airports, in fact I'd say it is THE worst airport I have ever used!
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Must be they most generous airports wine & dining the right people league?
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Originally Posted by ImPlaneCrazy
(Post 11369328)
SNOCLO this morning and plenty of diversions.
Perhaps a visit to Innsbruck or Salzburg how to manage (very well predicted) short lived 1-2” of snow ? |
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