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ATNotts 11th Aug 2020 15:57

Did I say that working from home is a holiday??? I work from home, have done for 6 years, and work is work, however being furloughed is not "working from home" it is a holiday on 80% pay, albeit a very strange one. I was also furloughed for 5 weeks before returning to full paid employment.

The 5 weeks was a holiday of sorts, though obviously very much restricted as to what I could do, I made the best of it, but was very happy to return to work, it made me realise that despite my years, i'm not ready to give up just yet. There are some people, and I've heard then talking quite openly, who feel that furlough is wonderful and hope it never ends!

LTNman 12th Aug 2020 09:31

Seems Germany is getting close to putting the Balearics on a quarantine list for returning Germans after a surge of new cases. I wonder how many here will criticise that decision if and when it is made?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...eed-threshold/

ATNotts 12th Aug 2020 12:34

At 50 cases per 100,000 people and 230 odd cases yesterday alone I would suggest, first, that the UK government decision was a good one, and second that Germany will put the Balearics onto the high risk list, as they did the Madrid area yesterday.

Frankly, I would suggest that for the UK holiday industry to continue drip dripping the restart of the season back by a few weeks at a time is probably not playing fair with would be travellers, who really ought now have their trips cancelled for the rest of the summer, and get refunded or rebooked. As it is the gullible will be booking trips in September / October that simply aren't going to happen.

LTNman 12th Aug 2020 19:40

Germany is blaming people returning from their holidays for their rise in cases. Meanwhile it is looking bad again for Spain and Greece is seeing a rise in cases. It seems that lessons have not be learnt about the dangers of travel and the virus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53747852

Pistonprop 12th Aug 2020 20:16

Travel may not in itself be a danger. The danger is that once at their holiday destination a large majority of tourists let their guard down completely, particularly the young "healthy" brigade! I think the bars, discos and tourist burger joints pose a greater threat than the flights do.

racedo 12th Aug 2020 21:31


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10858143)
In the scheme of things, just how important is a holiday?

To me it is very important as gives me a chance to get away from it all, good weather, good food but then again I have not had a day off since March.



It looks as though 9.6m people have been having a 4 month "holiday" at government expense already. It isn't just working from home, it's returning and not being able to go shopping, not being able to entertain the kids in what is still the school holidays, with trips out, and worse, later this month the kids not being able to return to schools when they open, because they're in quarantine - assuming of course that people are actually bothering to adhere to a quarantine law that the government itself appears unwilling / unable to enforce.

A greater, and much more consequential effect of the quarantine on air travel and the economy is the virtual collapse of business travel - the media however is focused 100% on holidaymakers!
Some have treated it as a holiday, some netflix binging, some more time with kids, there is no one size fits all.

WFH sounds great but having done it for considerable period of time years ago, not now, in truth I would hate going back to doing it full time. No social interaction at a personal level, zoom and teams are not it. Going forward try developing a team with new team members when they all live in same town and never work in the office together. Hell managing a team who work in same place is difficult enough, try do it remotely forever.

Weather has helped lockdown, furloughing because it has been bright and sunny, try it in October to March and see what it looks like.

Travel industry is dead for 2-3 yrs with a certain % of kids paranoid for ever more.

guy_incognito 13th Aug 2020 04:40


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10859063)
At 50 cases per 100,000 people and 230 odd cases yesterday alone I would suggest, first, that the UK government decision was a good one, and second that Germany will put the Balearics onto the high risk list, as they did the Madrid area yesterday.

It was and remains an ill considered and pointless knee jerk reaction.

inOban 13th Aug 2020 21:09

As predicted, France has been added to the quarantine list.

SWBKCB 13th Aug 2020 21:16

and the Netherlands, according to the BBC

LTNman 13th Aug 2020 21:21

Malta also on the list.

ld0595 13th Aug 2020 21:28

I'm assuming it covers Corsica too. That's a bummer since I was due to travel there in early September (booked long before the virus!)

CabinCrewe 13th Aug 2020 21:32

any differences for Scotland /NI for these new destinations?

ld0595 13th Aug 2020 21:36

No differences for Scotland. The FM confirmed the same countries will be put on the quarantine list at the same time.

LBIA 13th Aug 2020 21:54

According to Sky News France, Netherlands, Monaco, Malta, Turks & Caicos and Aruba all now added to the UK's quarantine list. Changes come in to effect from 4am on Saturday morning.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-list-12048768

LTNman 13th Aug 2020 22:18


Originally Posted by ld0595 (Post 10860372)
I'm assuming it covers Corsica too. That's a bummer since I was due to travel there in early September (booked long before the virus!)

Yes it covers Corsica as per below.


The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advise against all but essential travel to France (including Corsica).


ld0595 14th Aug 2020 06:35

Thought that would be the case, thanks.

davidjohnson6 14th Aug 2020 08:15

Anyone want to guess which countries are at risk of being taken off the good-to-travel list next Thursday ?
Cyprus ? Czech ? Denmark ? Iceland ? Poland ?

Playamar2 14th Aug 2020 08:33

With quarantine now applying to so many countries in Europe, and the threat of more to be added at short notice, surely something needs to be done. The airlines & airports need to be more pro-active in finding solutions instead of waiting for the Government to act. Why can't the airlines, airports & tour companies get together (allowing for social distancing!) with Bungling Johnson's stooges and thrash out some workable scheme. Testing seems the key, so why not test say 3-4 days before travelling to the UK and then again on arrival. Hospitals on the continent use this method of two tests 4-5 apart before releasing patients. Granted it won't pick up every positive case but nor will 14 day quarantine. If nothing is done soon the aviation industry not just in the UK is going to collapse due to lack of bookings caused by quarantine uncertainty.

DomyDom 14th Aug 2020 09:09

The airports/airlines have been pushing for testing but the UK government won't entertain the idea so far. The UK Government make the rules not the travel industry. I think their concern is that people who test positive on arrival may still be incubating the virus hence the 14 day quarantine period. I do wonder however if there is scope for a more targeted approach as Germany does e.g. targeting Aragon, Catalonia rather than the whole of Spain, coupled with testing and a shorter quarantine period if the evidence supports it.

LTNman 14th Aug 2020 09:46

[QUOTE=Playamar2;10860673]With quarantine now applying to so many countries in Europe, and the threat of more

The governments mistake was not introducing quarantine months earlier.

The airlines and airports are not helping themselves by not enforcing social distancing measures so I don't see why the Government should give them any slack. Airlines like Wizz and Ryanair don't give a monkeys about spreading the virus so long as they can achieve a full flight.

Wizz BS advert
https://i.imgur.com/pFw9Ke5.jpg

Wizz reality at Luton with double queuing and requiring passengers to be at the gate 40 minutes before departure.
https://i.imgur.com/itkaWdw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fwklUal.jpg

More Wizz BS showing plenty of empty seats.
https://i.imgur.com/r29UzFy.png

More reality from LTN with masks off when Wizz sell food and drinks to make money.
https://i.imgur.com/kv0Yy89.png


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