Mytilene airport
Was recently flown home from Mytilene (Lesbos) by the CAA following the collapse of Thomas Cook. We flew out from Gatwick on a Thomas Cook A321 fully loaded with passengers and luggage. The plane the CAA sent to fly us home was a White airlines A320. The pilot of that plane said that he was unable to take off with the plane fully loaded with passengers and luggage so 90% of the luggage was left behind. Presumably the Thomas Cook A321 would have taken off fully loaded with passengers and luggage, so why couldn’t the A320??? |
Different type of aircraft, obvious to most rational folk.
The A320 is not an A321, is it? Why did Thomas Cook use an A321 I wonder? |
FR24 shows that flight MT1813 was an A321 flying MJT-LGW every Saturday. Equally MT1501 was an A321 flying MJT-MAN every Saturday and MT1215 was an A321 flying MJT-BHX every Saturday
Clearly an A321 has the legs to not only take off from MJT but also make it as far as Manchester non-stop on a regular basis without significant likelihood of needing to stop off to refuel CAA stats indicate that Gatwick-Mytilene had 2162 pax in August 2019. There were 5 Saturdays in August, so this suggests an average of 216 pax per flight, well beyond the 180 or 186 pax capacity that can be achieved with an A320 Manchester-Mjytilene has 2100 pax in August while Birmingham-Mytilene had 2087 pax Mytilene on 28 September in mid-afternoon was warm and dry - seemed very typical of the weather one might expect of a Greek island in the summer of the year - but not excessively hot. The runway is right by the sea and can't be more than about 100 feet above sea level |
Originally Posted by RoyHudd
(Post 10585960)
Different type of aircraft, obvious to most rational folk.
The A320 is not an A321, is it? Why did Thomas Cook use an A321 I wonder? |
The inference was...different a/c, different power plant type, different performance characteristics, different weight and balance, different range, ...nothing to do with size per se. `That should be obvious to a light aircraft pilot, let alone a commercial 70-ton jet pilot.
Did you get your bags in the end? |
You can get different power ratings from the same basic engine on an A 320 just as you can on an A 321. It may be that the repat A 320 had low power engines while the Thomas Cook 321 had higher power engines, as it obviously did the trip regularly. The CAA had to find aircraft, and lots of them. at short notice so may not have had a suitable aircraft available at the time. I notice that a Malaysian Airlines A 380 seems to have been used for some flights.
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Originally Posted by RoyHudd
(Post 10586647)
The inference was...different a/c, different power plant type, different performance characteristics, different weight and balance, different range, ...nothing to do with size per se. `That should be obvious to a light aircraft pilot, let alone a commercial 70-ton jet pilot.
Did you get your bags in the end? |
Originally Posted by kriskross
(Post 10586709)
You can get different power ratings from the same basic engine on an A 320 just as you can on an A 321. It may be that the repat A 320 had low power engines while the Thomas Cook 321 had higher power engines, as it obviously did the trip regularly. The CAA had to find aircraft, and lots of them. at short notice so may not have had a suitable aircraft available at the time. I notice that a Malaysian Airlines A 380 seems to have been used for some flights.
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There could have been a technical issue too that might have prevented a full load being taken. |
The "White" A320 is over 24 years old and has different CFM engines to the Thomas Cook 321's most of which are considerably younger. Maybe this combined with unfavourable high level winds (strong west to east jet stream over that past week or so) meant a weight restriction to make the UK destination non-stop.
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Without being there we can only assume what the restrictions were. my thoughts would be that the ZFW (zero fuel weight) and the minimum fuel needed for the trip would take the aircraft above max take off weight. To avoid a fuel stop en route the only way to take the minimum fuel required is to reduce the payload. That would be the reason some of the bags were left behind. |
Max take off weight is not the same as regulated take off weight. Just to be clear.
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