Looks like Eastern didn't get any LHR slots for summer 21. Obviously things may change, but I'm guessing they ll reinstate LCY next summer.

That won't look good on the mayors plans.

Would LCY want them back after being dropped very swiftly?

Doubt they're in a position to be fussy.

I wouldn't write off LHR yet.

It was always highly unlikely that anyone was going to get LHR slots for Summer 2021 right from the off.

For Winter 2020, those airlines like Rwandair, Ukraine, China Airlines and Eastern who secured slots have been given these without grandfather rights attached. As the "use it or lose it" rule has been suspended through a slot waiver, airlines at Heathrow can hand back their slots but still protect their long-term access to them. Those slots are then being handed out on a short-term basis.

For Summer 2021, it is not clear whether there will be any change to the use it or lose it rule. Every airline has reclaimed the slots to which they hold grandfather rights and so Heathrow (as of now) is technically full for Summer 2021. Of course, there will be a lot of airlines either hoping for a slot waiver or going into deals with other airlines to babysit slots for them. None of those will be visible at this point in time.

What you see now and where things end up for Summer 2021 LHR slots will be two very different pictures.

It's not dropped it's COVID suspended

Eastern Schedule Update
 

Looks like Eastern updated their schedules up unto 10th January 2021

No Southampton or Newquay flights, in fact Newquay doesn't return till February
Belfast remains on a Monday and Friday
Aberdeen remains 1 flight Mon to Fri on an E145 shared with Humberside
Heathrow does return from 7th December.

Dublin and Cardiff do not appear as an option in booking engine any more.

The bhd flights now seem to be sou-bhd-mme-bhd-sou. In time no doubt it will be sold as through service. Is cwl-bhd still on the cards?

Eastern applied for 68 slots (presumably 38 would be for a 3 weekday/2 weekend MME and 30 for another route - maybe the PSO for NQY?)
Loganair applied for 138 LHR slots (some would be for IOM, maybe NQY and then possibly LBA and/or MME?)

Eastern applied for MME-LHR and LBA-LHR.

Loganair applied for DND-LHR (which I think they always do?), IOM-LHR and NQY.-LHR.

You can change destinations pretty easily so I wouldn't take it as gospel that's what these are. Eastern's LBA-LHR could easily be covering NQY and Loganair's NQY-LHR could easily be covering MME and none of us would be any the wiser until or unless this ever sees the light of day.

Ryanair to Alicante and Palma the next new routes

Should there be a question mark after that sentence?
Info please.

2 x weekly to each starting S21. Ryanair app shows the airport as Durham Tees however

Thanks to @SeanM1997 on Twitter

Bookable on the Ryanair app

Many thanks for the updates.

Ryanair flights - Mayor - Seismic day
 

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...liday-flights/

Wow! Brilliant news and the classic bucket and spade routes people want.

I would guess RYR not coughing up much in fees to MME but its bums on seats through the Terminal for the Holiday Spenders.

Looks like reasonable flight times.

Alicante - Mon/Fri
Palma - Sat/Tue

Are Eastern still planning on Alicante next summer; I can’t see it on their booking engine.

Presume the £6 passenger duty will be going as it was one thing that Ryanair didn't like. Mayor Ben can say he has done all of his promises when the election comes around in May. Just needs a Salzburg flight to keep his fan club happy.

Wonder who is paying who for Ryanair to use the airport? Hopefully the airport will make money out of this and can attract further business.

Gosh yes, I wonder who? :ok:

That's clearly the aim, to get traffic up to a self-sustaining level e.g. attract more retail, spread fixed/staffing costs.

Wasn't the £6 terminal tax meant to go at the end of the this financial year. That's probably when the drop off charge will come in (or maybe a couple of months later.... :E)

This is still good news for all regional airports during a time when consolidation will happen, and in an industry where the most cost effective option will be chosen by the airlines. Even if any future growth or stability next year will be driven by the ULCC like Ryanair or Wizz, but as with any business like airports their main revenue income will always be parking or duty free first as all passengers use these services. All airport operators at the moment will be offering anything to the airlines to get them in. As you only have to look at the daily arrival boards in all these airports to see the true scale of the impact this pandemic is having on the industry. Any positively big or small is crucial at the moment to support the recovery of this sector.

A couple of things:

• It seems like Ryanair have signed a 7 year agreement with Teesside Airport: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...-flights-2028/
• Given that Ryanair are inevitably getting a fat subsidy to fly from the airport and that the mayor has committed to abolishing the £6 departure fee, there will need to be a significant ramp up in the retail/food/drink operation to drive non-airline income. I guess post-brexit, a duty free shop is a given plus maybe an expansion of the lounge.

The Mayor said in a reply to his Facebook post that Ryanair weren't being subsidised whatsoever, however he boasts that he saved the airport from closure which isn't true so I guess he wouldn't think twice about telling porkies about that.

I guess it depends on your definition of a subsidy. It would be normal for a new airline coming in to have reduced/zero landing fees for a period of time plus some financial/marketing support for setting up at a new airport. That's quite different to underwriting so many seats on each plane (as per NQY-LON) but it is still a form of subsidy.

Just a typical Politician economical with the truth and spin. There’s no way on Gods earth that Ryanair are coming in without subsidy in some form or other. That’s a given.

Agreed - Ryanair have made it clear that they are looking at those airports that come up with the best deals - even more so now than before...

OK – so where is MME now? I’ve no inside knowledge but this is how it looks to me. It appears the Mayor’s aims where to:

1. keep the airport open, then stabilise with the aim of moving into profit;
2. increase the regions ‘global connectivity’ so as to increase the industrial base of the region;
3. for the airport to become a centre of employment, attracting skilled well paid jobs.

Where have we got to?

Stabilisation – like Cautious Optimist, I think it’s easy to paint Peel as the evil villains, and I was never convinced that the airport was going to close, but certainly the future is brighter than it has been for years and jobs at the airport have been protected

Global connectivity - keeping the airport open should retains the KLM service, which they’ve kept over the years so must be doing something for them. SOU, ABZ, BHD are all good looking domestic routes before Covid, with hopefully DUB to follow. The Loganair and Eastern duplication is baffling – can these routes really support two operators? Also, can MME support LCY and LHR, and is LHR without interlining anything other than a trophy route? Juries out on that for me - don’t forget money is also going into trains and stations as well.

Increasing employment – I think we are still in the stabilisation phase. I’ve no idea on the current levels of employment and shift patterns, but looking at the speculative schedules on the Teesside movements website, still looks like two not that busy shifts to me, so more a case of those current employed being busier/ getting more hours. There’s still potential in the southside and the Treasury campus. Also well done on the emphasis on using local firms were possible.

The downside? Well the obvious one is where is the money coming from – if airlines aren’t being paid to operate from MME, they certainly aren’t being charged much – can’t all be down to the mayor’s charm and good looks, even if there is an element of the airport bottoming out and recovering to a more natural level. Also, just looking at the place, there is many years of investment needed to just to maintain the current level. Obviously, we all actually know where the money is coming from, so I suppose the question is is there enough to get the airport to a sustainable level and what’s the opportunity cost – i.e. would the money have been better spent elsewhere?

Also – is the level of funding such that it gives MME an uncompetitive advantage, i.e. it starts to damage the likes of NCL and LBA? Believe me, I’m all for competition and also in using government money to ‘kick start’ industry, but sometimes the two don’t mix.

Missed one:
4. Get re allected next May.

sooo cynical! :O

Plate spinning comes to mind.

Boy done well! TIA. web shows not enough stands next year.The realists amongst us would guess 25% will happen?

Time will tell.

4 Ryanair flights depart per week @ 189pax capacity. = 756 pax
Say 85% load factor (although it's nearer 95%) = 642 pax
And say 70% arrive by car, at 3 pax per car = 150 cars per week.
Parking charge per car per week = £50.
Additional revenue = £7500 per week x 21 week season = £157,000
Additional costs = £31,000 VAT.
Extra profit = £126,000

And that's just the car parking

Disclaimer - the above numbers are just conservative estimates.

But if they had to remove the airport development fee to get Ryanair (and lets not be suprised if this is announced a couple of weeks before the election):
Ryanair: 642 pax per week x 21 weeks x £6 airport development fee minus 20% VAT = £67,000 lost revenue (ok they never had this in the first place)
But other airlines pre-covid: 1,350 departing pax per week x 52 weeks x £6 airport development fee minus 20% VAT = £351,000 lost revenue

So the extra car parking income that Ryanair creates covers less than half of the lost cash that they are getting from the airport development fee from existing passengers. But even with Ryanair providing more throughput, the airport still needs to make £2.68 extra clear profit out of each departing passenger to break even compared to today. Cafe, bar, duty free, lounge, foreign exchange and retail will all have their parts to play.

Of course Loganair coming in will help and if Ryanair further ramp up their operations and/or run a winter season there could be a lot more passengers but the airport has a bit challenge to replace the £6 charge.

How much difference this will make I don't know but don't forget the airport gets 100% of any hospitality income with it being in-house

Haven't they just spent over a million on the security area and arrivals hall?

They have just fitted a big scanner somewhere.

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“How much difference this will make I don't know but don't forget the airport gets 100% of any hospitality income with it being in-house”

Not quite true as will have to employ ,duty free and hospitality staff..non at moment,apron staff..just a couple at moment,increased Security,AFS and ATC ..a few still needed for increased cover? Plus I’m sure there will be other areas?

All will have to paid from the mayors purse until the revenue starts to flow in 😀

There is a demand for flights from MME, all that's going to happen is, they will get back some of the passengers from NCL and LBA, that were forced to use these airports in the first place. I believe this was due to mismanagement, once the local people realise that flights are available again, the airport will hopefully start to regain some of the lost ground which has happened over the last few years. I can remember at one time the local buses had adverts on them for Jet2, maybe MME should use the same tactic now and tell the public about the new routes.