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Jerbourg 14th Nov 2018 16:17
If, (& hopefully they don't) Flybe cease trading would Blue Islands be able to continue flying?
I ask this as they wouldn't have access to a reservations system on which would be all existing bookings &
therefore their revenue stream.

How quickly could an airline set up a new system to handle future bookings?

kcockayne 14th Nov 2018 17:19
Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10311196)
If, (& hopefully they don't) Flybe cease trading would Blue Islands be able to continue flying?
I ask this as they wouldn't have access to a reservations system on which would be all existing bookings &
therefore their revenue stream.

How quickly could an airline set up a new system to handle future bookings?
Well,, Jerbourg, they have done it before - when they started up. Presumably , they can do it again. IF Flybe cease to be, this could be an opportunity for Blue Island to expand. They already operate BEE’s route to Southampton (as well as having a licence of their own) & I could see them taking that route off of Flybe, as well as Birmingham, Exeter & East Midlands from Jersey & Guernsey - if that appeals to Flybe. But, this would require Blue Islands making a fairly large investment - are they interested & willing to make that commitment, or will they continue to “play at running an airline”? They don’t make a profit as it is; would things improve if they took over these sort of routes ? Interesting times ahead.

Jerbourg 14th Nov 2018 17:40
I'm thinking it could be just the excuse DC is looking for to say 'Thank You & Goodnight?'

kcockayne 14th Nov 2018 17:50
There is that aspect to it, as you say. Who knows which way it will all pan out ? What are your thoughts on the Guernsey runway extension ? Has it any relevance to this situation ?

Gurnard 11th Dec 2018 14:07
ATR72 G-ISLM
Recently delivered, this aircraft has not been painted into Flybe colours. Instead it is mainly white with "Blue Islands" titles. Why is this? (1)Is the uncertain future of Flybe the reason why it does not have Flybe titles? (2)Are Blue Islands looking to exit the franchise? (3)A revised Flybe purple has slowly begun to appear, and -LM could have had this applied - or is this new scheme to be short-lived with a change of ownership in the offing? Any thoughts, anybody? The long-term future of Blue Islands has been raised for a while with DC showing signs of giving it up.

PDXCWL45 11th Dec 2018 14:10
Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10333238)
ATR72 G-ISLM
Recently delivered, this aircraft has not been painted into Flybe colours. Instead it is mainly white with "Blue Islands" titles. Why is this? (1)Is the uncertain future of Flybe the reason why it does not have Flybe titles? (2)Are Blue Islands looking to exit the franchise? (3)A revised Flybe purple has slowly begun to appear, and -LM could have had this applied - or is this new scheme to be short-lived with a change of ownership in the offing? Any thoughts, anybody? The long-term future of Blue Islands has been raised for a while with DC showing signs of giving it up.
They already have an aircraft in Flybe colours so i don't see why they need more or that it's any indication of a change of relationship.

Gurnard 11th Dec 2018 14:34
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10333242)
They already have an aircraft in Flybe colours so i don't see why they need more or that it's any indication of a change of relationship.
"An aircraft in Flybe colours"?? Actually three - G-ISLI, -ISLK & -ISLL. The only frame in Blue Islands colours is ATR42 G-ISLH.
My point was that the most recent acquisition has not followed the pattern of the two previous frames - i.e. being painted directly into the Flybe scheme. It is more a case of reverting to what Blue Islands was before the franchise commenced.

Jersey32D 11th Dec 2018 14:45
Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10333258)
"An aircraft in Flybe colours"?? Actually three - G-ISLI, -ISLK & -ISLL. The only frame in Blue Islands colours is ATR42 G-ISLH.
My point was that the most recent acquisition has not followed the pattern of the two previous frames - i.e. being painted directly into the Flybe scheme. It is more a case of reverting to what Blue Islands was before the franchise commenced.
Could be because Blue Islands do some charter work for footlball teams etc, that a stipulation of the contract is the ability to offer an unbranded aircraft?

For example, the current Stobart contract from the Isle of Man dictates that should a replacement be used.. Just a thought though but probably more closely linked to the airline still having some control over its identity or a clause in the contract agreeing to a certain number of aircraft in franchise colors.

Gurnard 11th Dec 2018 14:56
Originally Posted by Jersey32D (Post 10333266)
Could be because Blue Islands do some charter work for footlball teams etc, that a stipulation of the contract is the ability to offer an unbranded aircraft?

For example, the current Stobart contract from the Isle of Man dictates that should a replacement be used.. Just a thought though but probably more closely linked to the airline still having some control over its identity or a clause in the contract agreeing to a certain number of aircraft in franchise colors.
An interesting thought - thanks. Until recently the airline had very little identity outside of Flybe. I can only think the decision not to slap Flybe across the airframe is somehow connected with the uncertain future of Flybe.

Jersey32D 11th Dec 2018 15:30
Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10333277)
An interesting thought - thanks. Until recently the airline had very little identity outside of Flybe. I can only think the decision not to slap Flybe across the airframe is somehow connected with the uncertain future of Flybe.
Possibly, although given the delivery of the ATR coincided with the announcement of Flybe's revised livery, they held off until confirmation? Given the aircraft is all white with blue engines, I can only assume that cost played a factor, as a full purple treatment on this sized aircraft is in excess of £25K...

SWBKCB 11th Dec 2018 15:31
I can only think the decision not to slap Flybe across the airframe is somehow connected with the uncertain future of Flybe.
Could be many other reasons - needing to get it in service quickly, lack of an available slot at a suitable painting facility, requirement of owners/lessors, etc

As it happens, Blue Island happily operate football charters in the BE coloured a/c - LL brought Wolves to Newcastle at the weekend.

Wycombe 11th Dec 2018 15:57
They already have an aircraft in Flybe colours
The 3 existing Blue Island AT72's are in Flybe Purple, only the 1 remaining AT42 isn't (the other was but has I believe left the fleet to make way for the "new" AT72)

Gurnard 11th Dec 2018 19:59
Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10333322)
The 3 existing Blue Island AT72's are in Flybe Purple, only the 1 remaining AT42 isn't (the other was but has I believe left the fleet to make way for the "new" AT72)
Correct. That was G-ISLF.
Can understand the cost of repainting being a factor for not painting -LM in the revised purple scheme.

Jerbourg 12th Dec 2018 14:27
According to FR24 LM hasn't flown since December 1, is there a major issue with it or is it being painted I wonder?

Wycombe 12th Dec 2018 15:30
Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10334062)
According to FR24 LM hasn't flown since December 1, is there a major issue with it or is it being painted I wonder?
I was in SOU and GCI yesterday (flying there and back in ISLI) and didn't see ISLM.​​​

The purple AT42 ISLF was ferried to Malta around the end of November I think.

Gurnard 12th Dec 2018 17:01
Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10334107)
I was in SOU and GCI yesterday (flying there and back in ISLI) and didn't see ISLM.​​​

The purple AT42 ISLF was ferried to Malta around the end of November I think.
Actually - 3rd October. Time flies!! ;)

Jerbourg 10th Jan 2019 18:38
Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10356352)
Surprised they don't move their maintenance to Bristol or over to Flybe in Exeter.

I think the ATR's go to Germany for major maintenance, if I'm wrong some one will correct me I hope. :)

fjencl 10th Jan 2019 21:48
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...line-1.3754170

Jerbourg 11th Jan 2019 10:37
I wonder where the takeover will leave the franchise operation?
Interesting times ahead methinks.


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