I believe this is an increase to 4 flights a week.

Air Canada used to fly St Johns to LHR In A320 before.

I suppose telling comfort factors will be in the seat pitch, not the size of the aircraft.

Great to see Turkish Airlines Istanbul upgraded to A321 a couple of times a week, others on B737

AC has been 4x weekly from EDI for the last few years

AC YYZ/EDI
 

With AC ' vouchers $$$$ ' in hand for future travel, (hopefully from EDI!) there is an element of self interest here!

Having travelled and spoken to FAs who operated this service with ACr in the 2019 season, they worked for the most part YYZ/EDI & GLA together. e.g. An EDI arrival on a Monday would see the FAs on a GLA/YYZ the following day. Perhaps further changes to come with regard to YYZ/GLA?

As others have stated, I see a mainline A330 has been substituted on most of these former ACr routes into mainland Europe as well as the YYZ/MAN service. AC must anticipate that they will be able to sell their Business Class 'Signature' brand on these flights or alternatively for the mainland Europe routes into YYZ/YUL, does the MAX lack the range for a westbound TA flight? - Perhaps a combination of both?

The AC YYZ/EDI route is sold as Economy & Premium Economy as it was with ACr. For info, the AC YHZ/LHR, to be reinstated with the MAX, is also showing bookable in Economy & Premium Economy.

So, if by some miracle we get resumption of Ac flights before they were due to stop anyway [Mid-Sept?], do we still get a 767?

I assume the GLA 767 retention will last if / until such time as the AT takeover is finalised and the A330 is dropped.

I am sure it was already reported that both EDI and GLA were shelved for this season.

All rouge 763s are resting . Indeed the brand may be no more.

The premium cabin in Rouge B763s was a very substandard, dated, shabby offering, especially compared to premium economy in AC B789 and A333. It'll be interesting to see what options the mainline B38M offers.

premium cabin on the MAX. Big change will be having built in IFE and not just steaming
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Looks quite nice. Probably easier to fill a smaller premium cabin, though mainline prices vs Rouge will put some off I suspect.

Air Canada classes these as business class seats but they look more like premium economy to me. It'll be interesting to see what the fares are like.

Fares are now online.

That's because they are premium economy. The Flight is only sold as Economy and Premium economy.

Norwegian
 

Norwegian have cancelled their EDI flights for the month of August from EDI (CPH and Oslo). Anyone know why?

No demand would be my guess. Think SAS are still flying to OSL and EZY/FR to CPH?

most likely due to low booked figures on the flights

Not just Norwegian. Hasn't been a Qatar flight for over a week.

Some of their outbound flights had barely double digits (and only slightly higher on inbound). Presumably the larger cargo loads weren’t even worth it (though less on 787 cw A350).

Is this only happening at Edinburgh or are Qatar and others cancelling flights to other uk airports due to low demand?

Qatar have outright cancelled all CWL and BHX flights until October. And are running reduced frequencies at other airports. They are due to restart 3x weekly B787-8 flights from EDI on Wednesday which will increase to 4x weekly from September.

Now what really gets me is EK plan to fly a daily B777-300ER from September 1st. Only LHR and MAN will have more Emirates flights per week. With BHX 5x weekly B777 and GLA 4x weekly. With LGW/STN/NCL cancelled until October. I would hazard a guess that Emirates may want people from NCL and GLA (on the days they won't operate) to drive to EDI and fly. This may all change of course.

It has indeed changed - EK now not restarting EDI until 1st October (at the time of writing).

Why does this get you upset?

Edinburgh users had to travel to Glasgow for years to use services.

Best thing that happened, break up of BAA monopoly.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, I just was a bit surprised to see them offer EDI daily in September when Qatar are only 4x weekly on a B787-8. As said above though Emirates have now changed to October 1st.

Not that odd actually, Air Canada in the last few weeks filed aircraft changes for Montreal – Dublin service during summer 2021 season, which sees the airline schedules Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft service, instead of Boeing 787-8.

Routes seem to be amended bit by bit so maybe more aircraft downgrades

Not a surprise, but I see Delta have pushed back their restart to 1st October and United are now 25th October. Beginning to think it might a bigger surprise if they even make those dates.

Emirates now showing October for 1st flight from Edi

EI have considerably reduced flights to Dublin in Sept & early October - one flight per day in most instances.

I wonder how many were on today's Qatar flight?

41 pax were booked on it

Thanks. No wonder they've been culling flights.

Inbound was into triple figures...? Although not exactly great either.

Not sure how much cargo they're carrying just now.

Cargo would make the difference. I flew out of Tokyo on a beautiful Airbus 351 with only 8 passengers but it still ran daily as the were filling the belly with cargo so made the flight economical with or without passengers. I don’t know how much we import/export through Qatar but perhaps there is enough to sustain a few flights per week even with very soft passenger numbers.

But frequency cut to only 3 per week now...,😞

Yes, I suppose August is the anonomly the for Edinburgh, where likely huge groups bookings cancelled coming to Edinburgh for the Fringe, international, book TV and festivals and the tattoo all being cancelled.

Winter timetable showing daily flight with A321 on morning flight and B737-900 on evening flight with the occasional A320.

It's all up in the air of course and a worrying time for all airports in the UK, but good to see some confidence from airlines. Considering BA A have moved entire LGW shorthaul back to 7th Novemberr

Airlines have been posting schedules on the basis of anticipated demand. As flight time approaches it becomes clear that actual demand on longhaul routes is far less.

How do you know it was economical and not running at a loss?

The pandemic has resulted in cargo rates going through the roof; I know that because Mrs ATN works for a global logistics business (not an integrator) and finding space has been an issue, and contract rates gone out of the window. Cargo is normally the icing on the cake on a passenger operation, but in these unusual times it may well have made the difference between profit and thumping great loss when long haul passenger traffic has largely evaporated.

Long chat with board cabin crew who were telling me about the full loads of cargo each night but few passengers.

Just checked Skyscanner, it will be under a new callsign of AC807, Departing at the same time as the 763 would have.

It's being reported that EDI is to cut 250 jobs due to the downturn in traffic caused by Covid-19.
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Re AC807. I might be wrong but from my spotting days in the 1960s and early 70s I’m sure AC used to use the 80* series for the Prestwick Canada flights - AC 803 and 805 seem very familiar.

AC 813 CPH/PIK - YYZ on my first AC trip May 74. AC823 the regular number on LHR/PIK - YQX/YHZ into the 70s. Also remember a trip on AC852 YVR/YEG - PIK/LHR in Jun 78, op by 747.

To bring things back to the EDI thread, until around 1977 EDI Pax could travel via PIK connecting on to AC flights, as well as BAs own schedules by use of the BOAC/BA 'feeder' Viscount service.