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ROC10 14th Mar 2020 13:11


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10713687)
If they close the base, then the airport would not be viable as a commercial concern.

True and the same can possibly be said for the likes of EXT/CWL/BOH/NWI.

As mentioned, even EDI (large airport who don't rely largely on any one airline) are expecting massive consequences.

Davidiansmith 14th Mar 2020 13:34


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10713689)
True and the same can possibly be said for the likes of EXT/CWL/BOH/NWI.

As mentioned, even EDI (large airport who don't rely largely on any one airline) are expecting massive consequences.

Seems to be a lot of people wanting this place to fail.

I work at the airport, and I can say after the last few days we are all expecting the worse. The management are usually very positive but even they believe this will be the final straw.

​​​​​Very sad, but I guess this is an unprecedented situation.

ROC10 15th Mar 2020 10:49


Originally Posted by Davidiansmith (Post 10713713)
Seems to be a lot of people wanting this place to fail.

I work at the airport, and I can say after the last few days we are all expecting the worse. The management are usually very positive but even they believe this will be the final straw.

​​​​​Very sad, but I guess this is an unprecedented situation.

Of course I don’t want the airport to fail...

Posting about the reality of the situation doesn’t mean I want it to happen.

SealinkBF 15th Mar 2020 14:23


Originally Posted by Davidiansmith (Post 10713713)
Seems to be a lot of people wanting this place to fail.

I work at the airport, and I can say after the last few days we are all expecting the worse. The management are usually very positive but even they believe this will be the final straw.

​​​​​Very sad, but I guess this is an unprecedented situation.

Best of luck.

Buster the Bear 15th Mar 2020 21:13

Cargo will still be flown, probably on passenger aircraft, simply as the freight capacity being decimated from passenger airline cancellations.

SotonFlightpath 16th Mar 2020 12:19

so, so sorry to hear this - it's truly awful. I'm sure that unfortunately a similar situation will happen at many of our regional airports. I'm just a passenger (mainly at SOU), so for me it's just an inconvenience, for the guys involved in keeping these airports running over the last few years I'd like to say a huge 'thank you', and my thoughts are with you. Good luck to every one and let's hope for better news soon.

ericlday 16th Mar 2020 16:04

Wizz 803 (G WUKI) Positioning in from Luton........is this to operate a flight or storage ?

nowhereasfiled 16th Mar 2020 16:11


Originally Posted by ericlday (Post 10716234)
Wizz 803 (G WUKI) Positioning in from Luton........is this to operate a flight or storage ?

Joining KK and KH for storage.

davidjpowell 17th Mar 2020 10:12


Originally Posted by Davidiansmith (Post 10715853)
The majority of staff have now been put on leave. We've been told to think of ourselves and find alternative employment if we can.

All of the food and drink outlets have closed, terminal is being prepared to be moth balled and a security firm coming in to look after the place for the short term.

The odd flight is still scheduled to operate, and some staff will be paid an hourly rate for the time needed to cover these flights.

Not sure what the long term plan is at this stage.

the airport has said elsewhere.

We'd like to clarify the situation re this forum post. We can confirm the Aviation industry globally is facing significant challenges and we are currently working hard on our business continuity plans with our people are at the forefront of those plans. The terminal building and runway are fully operational. As per our statement yesterday, there has been disruption to flights at DSA - as is the case at all UK Airports but none of the Airport's staff have been put on leave. Furthermore, there is no member of staff across the airport with the name of the forum contributor. Please follow our official social media channels for updates.

BACsuperVC10 17th Mar 2020 12:52


Originally Posted by Davidiansmith (Post 10713713)
Seems to be a lot of people wanting this place to fail.

I work at the airport, and I can say after the last few days we are all expecting the worse. The management are usually very positive but even they believe this will be the final straw.

​​​​​Very sad, but I guess this is an unprecedented situation.

Its very depressing people throwing doom at this airport so frequently .

LTNman 20th Mar 2020 06:49

Flight radar 24 is showing a Magma 747 heading into Doncaster. Would this be correct?

egcntristar 20th Mar 2020 06:55


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10721201)
Flight radar 24 is showing a Magma 747 heading into Doncaster. Would this be correct?

Yes, there is a 3 x weekly freight service covered by Magma/Astral 747 and WGA MD11.

davidjpowell 23rd May 2020 10:14

DSA seems to be reasonably busy with it's cargo business, based aircraft and maintenance contractors.

My theory is they will have a lower cost base than the larger airports, and while bleeding from the temporary loss of passengers, it might not be the stab in the heart that other regional airports have suffered, especially with the estate to service the large cargo operators.

SWBKCB 23rd May 2020 11:16

Think it's to do with having regular widebody freighters continuing to operate, so had the resources to handle the additional freight traffic whereas many other regional airports didn't

G-FORZ 23rd May 2020 11:30

I see current 767F on ground arrival from Almaty. Just out of interest what do we import from Kazakhstan into DSA?

egcntristar 23rd May 2020 12:13


Originally Posted by G-FORZ (Post 10790837)
I see current 767F on ground arrival from Almaty. Just out of interest what do we import from Kazakhstan into DSA?

Came from Xian with a stop on the way. Lots of recent Russian 777 visitors coming from China via home stops in Moscow.

Also good to see the scheduled cargo services getting a recent permanent frequency uplift.

davidjpowell 23rd May 2020 14:20


Originally Posted by G-FORZ (Post 10790837)
I see current 767F on ground arrival from Almaty. Just out of interest what do we import from Kazakhstan into DSA?

PPE probably

Buster the Bear 24th May 2020 11:10

UN warehouse I believe close by, storage for humanitarian relief and probable PPE?

inOban 24th May 2020 12:04

I'm sure I read on another thread that these flights actually originate in China but stop in Kazakhstan.

SWBKCB 24th May 2020 13:22


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10791898)
I'm sure I read on another thread that these flights actually originate in China but stop in Kazakhstan.

It was at post #407 above.

TimmyW 5th Jun 2020 19:14

Good news on the cargo front.

Wish same could be said on the passenger side.

Two wizz routes and one TUI route cut today.

Unfortunately can't see any positives on that side of things for the time being.

TimmyW 5th Jun 2020 19:51


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803272)
Good news on the cargo front.

Wish same could be said on the passenger side.

Two wizz routes and one TUI route cut today.

Unfortunately can't see any positives on that side of things for the time being.


Also, seems to be no indication of when will be resuming flights to Doncaster, despite them resuming at other UK airports.

ericlday 5th Jun 2020 20:00

From Wizz air web site shows Riga 17/21/24/28 June, Vilnius starting 17/6, Gdansk 15/6, All the others start in June, check website for dates.

TimmyW 5th Jun 2020 20:11


Originally Posted by ericlday (Post 10803295)
From Wizz air web site shows Riga 17/21/24/28 June, Vilnius starting 17/6, Gdansk 15/6, All the others start in June, check website for dates.

​​​​​They've been on sale for last couple of weeks earlier than that, then the flights don't actually operate

SWBKCB 5th Jun 2020 20:17


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803272)
Unfortunately can't see any positives on that side of things for the time being.

Really - there's a shock...

TimmyW 5th Jun 2020 20:22


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10803303)
Really - there's a shock...


Do you?


​​​​​

SWBKCB 6th Jun 2020 06:23


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803308)
Do you?​​​​​

Far too early to tell - but if there is a negative to be found, you'll find it.

TimmyW 6th Jun 2020 06:34


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10803555)
Far too early to tell - but if there is a negative to be found, you'll find it.

Didn't i say it was positive response regarding cargo?

Not sure how else you can view the loss of routes as anything but negative. Its not like the airport has a large network of routes to start with.

SeanM1997 6th Jun 2020 08:55


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803272)
Good news on the cargo front.

Wish same could be said on the passenger side.

Two wizz routes and one TUI route cut today.

Unfortunately can't see any positives on that side of things for the time being.

What was the TUI route cut?

TimmyW 6th Jun 2020 10:45

Hurghada.

A lot of reductions on rotations for next summer compared to the expansion that was announced a few months ago.

ATNotts 6th Jun 2020 10:51


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803729)
Hurghada.

A lot of reductions on rotations for next summer compared to the expansion that was announced a few months ago.

Come on, we haven't had this summer yet, and if you look elsewhere you will see that TUI are going through a major retrenchment at the moment, globally. DSA won't be the only place effected, may not be the worst case effected.

TimmyW 6th Jun 2020 10:56


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10803730)
Come on, we haven't had this summer yet, and if you look elsewhere you will see that TUI are going through a major retrenchment at the moment, globally. DSA won't be the only place effected, may not be the worst case effected.


I understand that, however DSA has only two operators, one of which reliant on migrant workers, so the demand there is going to be reduced.

Most other airports have the luxury of a lot larger route network and more operators.
​​​​​​
Look at the loss of FlyBe. Eastern have picked up routes at other airports but have avoided Doncaster.

When Doncaster loses routes, they aren't replaced.

Far better for them to focus on the cargo side for the foreseeable. I don't see how the passenger side can be sustained.

ATNotts 6th Jun 2020 11:15


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803732)
I understand that, however DSA has only two operators, one of which reliant on migrant workers, so the demand there is going to be reduced.

Most other airports have the luxury of a lot larger route network and more operators.
​​​​​​
Look at the loss of FlyBe. Eastern have picked up routes at other airports but have avoided Doncaster.

When Doncaster loses routes, they aren't replaced.

Far better for them to focus on the cargo side for the foreseeable. I don't see how the passenger side can be sustained.

You may well be right about DSA's long term future, and in that they may be little different to EMA which I feel may struggle with it's heavily leisure orientated offering passengerwise. DSA appears to handle cargo very efficiently, and has gained some interesting operations. It could well become akin to Maastricht, where EMA is more akin to Liege in terms of it's cargo market. I imagine that post Brexit, when trucking stuff in from EU airports will be made a deal more complicated, DSA might hope to pick up the likes of Emirates or Qatar cargo, or even Jordanian or Egyptair who both tend to serve the fruit and veg markets through Oostende.

davidjpowell 6th Jun 2020 11:16


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 10803732)
I understand that, however DSA has only two operators, one of which reliant on migrant workers, so the demand there is going to be reduced.

Most other airports have the luxury of a lot larger route network and more operators.
​​​​​​
Look at the loss of FlyBe. Eastern have picked up routes at other airports but have avoided Doncaster.

When Doncaster loses routes, they aren't replaced.

Far better for them to focus on the cargo side for the foreseeable. I don't see how the passenger side can be sustained.

You never do.

TimmyW 6th Jun 2020 11:27


Originally Posted by davidjpowell (Post 10803750)
You never do.


Just saying it how it is. You can't deny that DSA has a poor record attracting operators and retaining routes.

Who's going to pick up the routes as Wizz and TUI scale back? Why haven't the FlyBe routes been picked up like some have at other airports?

SWBKCB 6th Jun 2020 12:43


Why haven't the FlyBe routes been picked up like some have at other airports?
Eastern, Blue Island, Loganair have picked up routes from existing bases. Apart from Eastern at SOU (which is re-opening of a base at an airport they already operated from) can't think of any others?

rpmac 6th Jun 2020 12:50

I have to agree. Every airport is going to struggle to get back anywhere near what it used to handle and DSA will have an uphill fight on its hands. Will the numbers from Eastern Europe still be there in a few years time to support Wizzair, who knows? For DSA the cargo side of things looks like something to build on.

TimmyW 6th Jun 2020 12:57

The Eastern European workers in Doncaster having been going home in droves since Brexit.
Unless Wizz diversifies its offering to more leisure orientated routes, I can't see them offering the same frequencies to Eastern Europe. The demand simply won't be there.

I think we can forget routes like Amsterdam, Dublin, Belfast etc ever coming back. There's no one who will realistically come in and operate them.

2Planks 14th Jul 2020 16:14

BBC reporting an Astral 747 left the black bit and is now on the grass at 1455 this afternoon, 14 Jul. 1 diversion to EGNM

ericlday 14th Jul 2020 16:48

Notam......Q) EGTT/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B) FROM: 20/07/14 16:35C) TO: 20/07/15 05:00E) AERODROME CLOSED DUE AIRCRAFT OBSTRUCTION ON RUNWAY


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