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Gulfstreamaviator 20th Dec 2019 12:07

We suspect that it MIGHT be FlyBe with their 'revamped' fleet. Would have to be a EMB, the turboprops wouldn't be too popular! But, Exeter or Norwich? They used to do the Norwich-Malaga route in the summer.

With the rain this week the tunnel is now a canal.....

PDXCWL45 20th Dec 2019 12:23

Surprised no one mentioned Jet2 from Manchester?

rog747 20th Dec 2019 12:45

No jet 2 for GIB
 
I did mention Jet2 a few posts back.....
Originally Posted by goldeneye
Jet2 perhaps ?

Me -
Nope - I cannot see that - They operate mainly 737-800 and now some A321 - Both types are are no-go for GIB (both operationally and not a usable economical payload)
The 757 and 733 is OK but Jet2 are to retire both types gradually -- so unless they go for future A320 then Jet2 will not go to GIB.

MKY661 20th Dec 2019 18:52


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10644007)
Is the road crossing still in use? Will foot passengers still be allowed to walk across the runway when the new route opens if it hasn't already.

Road crossing is still in use :ok:

BAeuro 23rd Apr 2020 23:28

Any update on the new tunnel? I’m trying to gauge when the road crossing will finally close. It’ll be weird after all these years and a real loss for GIB avgeeks.

Gulfstreamaviator 25th Apr 2020 13:48

The Government assured everyone that the tunnel works were considered essential and exempt from lockdown, but the date has just been extended by 1 more month. Its been an interesting week traffic wise, a US Marine Herc made one approach and was denied another by Seville, even though it was under the control of Gib ATC on their radar. BA is still operating a (very) reduced service from LHR and average load factors hover around 35-50, a combination of social distancing aboard and the low numbers wanting the service

MKY661 2nd Jun 2020 12:37

EasyJet have published their schedule for July & August. Following in Regards to GIB:

MAN resumes 20th July
LGW resumes 26th July
BRS resumes 2nd August
LTN non operational until at least 1st September (as scheduled)
EDI non operational until at least 1st September

All operating at reduced frequencies and of course all subject to change.

MKY661 7th Sep 2020 11:41

EDI and LTN will now start and resume from the start of the Summer 2021 season. MAN also cut to 2pw for the Winter and LGW seems to vary per month.

Interesting to note there was an AlbaStar 737-800 at the airport the other day carrying the San Marino Football Team, so the Aircraft type can operate into GIB. Could be restrictions on things though, not entirely sure, plus I doubt the likes of Jet2 or Ryanair would be interested flying here at the moment, especially with the current situation.

rog747 7th Sep 2020 12:57

Yes it can go into GIB, we know that, but as discussed before not with anywhere near an economical airline payload. (be it a legacy or a low cost outfit)

Enter Air Poland also flew a sports team into GIB around a year ago but these type of flights are one-offs and I would imagine not heavy, def not with 189 pax and bags landing or taking off...

davidjohnson6 25th Oct 2020 20:43

I went through GIB this week for the first time since the new terminal was opened. While the old terminal was hopelessly small, the new terminal seems somewhat overbuilt. Yes, when there are 3 or more 150+ seat aircraft departing within 1 hour, the space is necessary, but outside the late morning peak it all seemed a bit Rolls Royce

In 2019, was it a similiar story, or was the terminal being utilised well ?

LTNman 25th Oct 2020 20:58

The terminal is a great asset to Gibraltar. The road tunnel on the other hand has been under construction for years and seems to have been mismanaged. I still don’t know if the runway will still have a foot passenger crossing when the road tunnel opens.

compton3bravo 26th Oct 2020 12:34

As far as I am aware you will still walk across the runway. Regarding the terminal, it is rather ostentatious to say the least, it was designed so you could go across the border into Spain directly without having to go to the main crossing point. That will not happen anytime soon or not at all. The last time I used the airport it was still chaotic with three aircraft on the ground at once, but that was the usual Gibair circus!

LTNman 26th Oct 2020 13:42

I used it with both a BA and my Easyjet on the ground. It seemed very spacious compared with Luton

Letsflycwl 27th Oct 2020 15:48

Was in GIB back in August, x3 EZY, x1 BA & 2 private jets on the tarmac. Could not fault it at all, very organised and had disembarked, collected baggage and was walking across the runway to the hotel within 40 minutes of landing. Not bad at all considering the queues with the COVID health declaration forms.

Big thumbs up 👍🏻

nowhereasfiled 27th Oct 2020 15:58


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10912148)
It seemed very spacious compared with Luton

Soviet Gulags were probably more spacious than Luton

BAeuro 29th Oct 2020 14:48

So SeanM1997 has reported that Wizz Air are to launch flights to Gibraltar.

They will operate flights 2x per week to London Luton.

I’m very surprised to be honest!

MKY661 29th Oct 2020 16:06

Now confirmed. will operate on Mondays and Fridays from 11th December 2020:

Mon:
LTN-GIB Dep. 13:40 Arr. 17:50
GIB-LTN Dep. 18:10 Arr. 20:00

Fri:
LTN-GIB Dep. 16:00 Arr. 19:50
GIB-LTN Dep. 20:30 Arr. 22:20

(I still need to find out the flight numbers) :D

Surprising to see another route to Luton but I Guess EasyJet haven't kept up the frequency compared to what Monarch had plus with EasyJet not running the route during the peak summer season.

davidjohnson6 29th Oct 2020 16:12

Wizz may be betting that the UK and Gibraltarian Govt will be very reluctant to impose any kind of quarantine on each other for political reasons, especially after the UK leaves the EU half-way house

Nil by mouth 29th Oct 2020 17:58

Wizz Air new route Luton - Gibraltar
 
https://www.chronicle.gi/wizz-air-an...tar-and-luton/

I just hope the crews are trained and familiar with the difficulties of landing at Gib? Last week Easyjet made two go arounds before diverting to Faro.

Edit:Wizz Air describe Gibraltar as a "Mediterranean Peninsula" ! It's not a peninsula it's an isthmus. two out of ten for geography.

LTNman 29th Oct 2020 18:02

Passengers from the UK are required to quarantine when arriving in Gibraltar.

Globally Challenged 29th Oct 2020 18:04

LXGB isn’t that challenging and isn’t a Cat C

The jepp charts have a couple of good wind diagrams if I recall correctly

Field Required 29th Oct 2020 18:04


Originally Posted by Nil by mouth (Post 10914514)
https://www.chronicle.gi/wizz-air-an...tar-and-luton/

I just hope the crews are trained and familiar with the difficulties of landing at Gib?

Why would they not be?

davidjohnson6 29th Oct 2020 18:19


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10914518)
Passengers from the UK are required to quarantine when arriving in Gibraltar.

No they're not
https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-r...m-6492020-6226

LTNman 29th Oct 2020 18:29

I stand corrected. UK restrictions were lifted on June 21st

Sick 29th Oct 2020 19:08

Gib IS a peninsula. The bit with the airport on is an isthmus!

MKY661 29th Oct 2020 19:16

No quarantine required if you're flying into Gibraltar and staying there, believe it's back on the exemption list for Wales too. However if you use the airport to travel into Spain and fly back from Gibraltar I believe you do have to quarantine.

LTNman 29th Oct 2020 20:02

When I was over there in May 2019 a BA aircraft ended up being diverted to Malaga, as I was waiting for my departure. The difference now is that all the passengers would have to go into quarantine on their return to the U.K.

i think flights into Gibraltar have to be double captained due to the tricky approach avoiding Spanish airspace and the wind off the rock.

compton3bravo 30th Oct 2020 08:39

Having had conversations with the flight deck crews of Monarch, BA and easy when I have flown in/out of Gib, Monarch was Captain land and FO take-off likewise with BA but easy was/is Captain landing and takeoff. Whether it has changed recently I don't know. First Officers you can land etc but in the sim! Whether Wizz employ any ex Monarch crew I have no idea.

CWL757 30th Oct 2020 10:00

I believe quite a fair amount of ZB crew went to Wizzair.

BAeuro 5th Nov 2020 22:11

GBC news are reporting that the Transport Minister is in talks with another new airline, which aims to launch flights next year. I guess airlines are realising GIB is a relatively ‘safe’ market which doesn’t get quarantine restrictions imposed.

If 737 passenger ops are ruled out, there aren’t many airlines left for a potential service.

Aksai Oiler 6th Nov 2020 12:27

Just an observation, recently a couple of 737’s (Albastar was one of the operators) have been in and out of GIB on special football charters. I’m assuming these were not fully loaded


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