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MCDU2 5th Oct 2017 10:36


Not a single additional A320 has joined the EI fleet in that time
To date growth has been achieved through working existing airframes harder and finding efficiencies in the schedule. IAG undertook a review over a year ago and the result was a lot of very early starts and late finishes which has netted additional rotations on the existing short haul fleet. Hence they haven't needed any additional airframes for the past summer.

I read somewhere that BA are looking to improve yields by fitting an additional row of seats to their shorthaul aircraft and refitting rather than replacing airframes. Looks like capital is being invested in long haul across the group rather than in shorthaul unless a definitive business case exists.

Would have thought its a common sense approach within the group. Won't leep the spotters happy though looking for new registrations.

EI-EIDW 5th Oct 2017 17:25


Originally Posted by Just a spotter (Post 9914881)
It would appear that all may not be sweetness and light around Collinstown;

From The Irish Times 5th October 2017;

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...sely-1.3243989

From the same newspaper's Cantillon business commentary section;

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-daa-1.3244611

All grandstanding from EI. Yes there are some issues but I really don't think DY getting T2 access helped things at all.


To date growth has been achieved through working existing airframes harder and finding efficiencies in the schedule. IAG undertook a review over a year ago and the result was a lot of very early starts and late finishes which has netted additional rotations on the existing short haul fleet. Hence they haven't needed any additional airframes for the past summer.

I read somewhere that BA are looking to improve yields by fitting an additional row of seats to their shorthaul aircraft and refitting rather than replacing airframes. Looks like capital is being invested in long haul across the group rather than in shorthaul unless a definitive business case exists.

Would have thought its a common sense approach within the group. Won't leep the spotters happy though looking for new registrations.
EI still have a lot of work to get SH loads north or 85% year round and even 90% during peak summer. They don't need more seats at the minute.

ia350 8th Oct 2017 18:00

Was driving around the back of the airport today where the hangers are and noticed two Monarch a321s , could aer lingus have bought them on the cheap ? What's the reason for them there ?

AerRyan 8th Oct 2017 18:01

Returned to lessors. Liquidators would not be selling off the monarch owned aircraft so fast!

akerosid 10th Oct 2017 10:03

These would not be suitable for EI; those it has on order are A321NeoLR aircraft - different engines and longer range. The Monarch ones are also IAE V2500 powered, whereas the EI ones are CFM 56 powered, so they'd be unsuitable for the short haul fleet either.

Plenty of CFM56 powered aircraft out there, if they want them, but I believe that the plan is to operate DUB-European hub-DUB sectors (e.g. LHR, AMS, BRU, CDG) svces with the new A320s from next year/2019 and that will maximise utilisation and connectivity.

brian_dromey 10th Oct 2017 19:11

A mix of IAE and CFM hasn't held Vueling back, nor BA who operate mixed CFM (A318) and IAE fleets. Off the top of my head AA and LH both operate mixed IAE/CFM fleets. Given the size of the IAG A320 fleet and the in-house facilities for maintenance I don't think an IAE engined aircraft would be overlooked, if it were really required.

EI-EIDW 12th Oct 2017 17:10

Over 2.7 million in September up 6%.

Europe 1.5 m up 8%
UK 813,000 down 1%
Transatlantic 377,000 up 19%
Middle East and North Africa 76,000 up 15%
Domestic 7,700 down 2%

Year to date over 22.7 million up 6%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest...ion-passengers

EI-EIDW 13th Oct 2017 13:19

Suggested elsewhere HU have applied for twice weekly Shenzhen service from June.

Clearly not impressed by Cathy Pacific starting!

alserire 28th Oct 2017 18:05

Any info on the new security procedures for the US. Are they in place in Dublin? Slowing things up? Read elsewhere that US legacies are not affected. Is that true?

EI-EIDW 28th Oct 2017 18:38

They have been in place at DUB for a couple of months now so most will see no difference. Can't say about US based carriers and the rules but suspect they will pay more attention to particular carriers.

alserire 28th Oct 2017 19:00

Haven't been to the US since July. Are they interviewing everyone? Is it the check in people doing it? Getting everyone to turn on laptops? Doesn't seem to be delaying flights.

racedo 28th Oct 2017 19:53

Aware of least 2 businesses that now prevent execs taking work laptops / tablets onto US bound planes when travelling on business.

IT Dept in US sets them up when get their with new ones which wiped when they leave.

These US owned Multi Nationals as well and viewing travelling with laptops etc as big risk. Comments of well people work on the plane met by they travelling so let them have down time.

Jamie2k9 28th Oct 2017 20:05

They had enhanced measures introduced in July which did cause some disruption for a few weeks.

With TSA checks the level of security at DUB has always been a bit more stricter that others. I believe it's the US staff who question passengers not airlines here. After all, it's what they are there for....

alserire 28th Oct 2017 22:00

That's what I would have thought. Preclearance would take care of most things. And now you say it they did seem a bit more intense in July than when I had traveled in April. Wasn't asked to produce the lap top or iPad though.

Anyway, no harm or foul. Won't be heading Stateside again till next summer and God knows what they'll have dreamt up by then :}

racedo 28th Oct 2017 22:59

Will be doing what the Aliens apparently do to all the humans they alledgedly pick up :E

cheesebag 30th Oct 2017 15:43

I got the SSSS boarding pass to Newark last week but not so bad... extra scan and a few questions then on to the gate

alserire 30th Oct 2017 16:40

Is that a random thing?

EI-EIDW 2nd Nov 2017 18:13

Anybody know when Air Canada Concierge service started at DUB?

Notice they brought in their B789 in place of A333 this week Had to wait for crew to come from London to operate the return leg.

EI-A330-300 3rd Nov 2017 18:50

Sunday, when mainline returned.

owenc 4th Nov 2017 22:05

When do the cheap Summer Business Class fares come out? I seem to remember some 800 to the USA last year.


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