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Had noticed that NCL had disappeared from Winter 18 timetable.

Would be a shame however STK have been guilty of their usual games over the years. As soon as the route appears to look like becoming established, they chop and change the days/times and its back to square one.

Currently operating on days 1--4-6- it isn't particularly helpful for anyone - the previous schedule was much better (think it was 1-3-5-7) and always had a good stag crowd for the weekend flights.

I think STK shot themselves in the foot with the previous schedule in that is was too cheap. These days fares are considerably more expensive and if that combined with the more favourable schedule would see enough for the route to survive. Hard to believe that it wasn't long ago the route operated 3x weekly 733s from NCL as well as competition from RE at LBA and BMI at MME.

It also begs the question that if NCL was to be dropped, then is there really a need for a 3rd based ATR for winter 18? It wouldn't take a great deal to move the EDI/SNN till the afternoon and maybe run the 3rd rotation MANs on a W from DUB. Maybe plans for another ATR to SEN?

Can anyone remember the attempted stroke by the DAA to sell Cork Airport land ? Where was the land located ? I think they land was being sold for industrial use.

I'm not sure exactly where, but the land across 07/25 (beyond the perimeter fence) from the existing business park is zoned for commercial use. There's also a parcel to the east of the end of 17/35 that is zoned for industrial.

Neither fits within what we conventionally think of as the airport boundary, but I know there is some land around the airport that is owned by the airport and rented out to farmers.

By far the biggest stroke was the transfer of the existing business park land from Cork Airport to the DAA in the accounts. It took an asset that was generating about 6 million a year in rental income (the airport only owned a minority stake) off the Cork books making it look much more loss making than it is.

Air France have extended their new Paris route to go through the Winter season as well.

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Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10091413)

Air France have extended their new Paris route to go through the Winter season as well.

That’s brilliant news for ORK. It’s exactly the kind of service the airport needs to ensure world-wide connectivity, year-round.

Well done to the team at Cork, Air France and, of course, people of Munster, for supporting the service.

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Originally Posted by brian_dromey (Post 10092193)

Those high prices must be due to the service selling! Great to have an alternative to EI an FR.

It's good to see a bit of Winter expansion too. In recent years new routes have focused on summer expansion. Between this and the Ryanair Faro announcement, it looks like around 2,000 extra seats available per week over the Winter months.

Bring on KLM and LUFTHANSA

Norwegian to suspend Providence for the Winter this year. Hopefully it is just a suspension. Ironically it’s on the same day Aer Lingus decides to suspend Shannon-Boston from January to March next year. You’d wonder if the loss of one could have saved the other.

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Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10106425)

Market was fairly different to be honest. Keep in mind SNN-PVD may also be in threat for the winter.

True. The Norwegian thread doesn’t make nice reading at the moment. There could be a lot of suspensions.

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Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10106429)

True. The Norwegian thread doesn’t make nice reading at the moment. There could be a lot of suspensions.

Agreed. It seemed as if both Norwegian and their avid supporters completely ignored that there was any underlying issues in the company. The company seems to have taken a Celtic tiger type approach to the issue, throw money they don't have at the massive sinkhole.

In Winter, they should be able to get in 2x weekly Lisbon by getting extra utilization out of the current aircraft.

I can't see how it can be done in the Summer, without either cutting frequency on an existing route or operating one of the existing routes as a W.

Final route figures for 2017. I've excluded any destination that didn't get at least 500 passengers across 2016 and 2017, and any route that didn't get 100 passengers in 2017 as these are largely private movements or one-off charters for soccer/rugby matches [although Farnborough surviced even with this restriction] and the data is just unreadable if they are all left in.

Changes in the top 10 are that Malaga has overtaken Gatwick, even though Gatwick had reasonable growth, and that Birmingham has come into the top 10 at the expense of Liverpool

In general

London is steady. Although all London Airports show slight growth, it's almost equal to the number lost on the cancellation of the London City Route
UK Regional performs strongly, except Liverpool (notably the only Ryanair UK regional route). Surprising considering the general noise about them
Sun Routes perform very strongly
Other European routes are a mixed bag, with good performance for Zurich, Madrid, Rennes, Bergamo, but flat to poor performance for others.

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London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 401461 (+2.87%)
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 353007 (+3.93%)
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 168150 (-5.62%)
Malaga (AGP),Spain 137233 (+17.39%)
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 125426 (+3.92%)
Faro (FAO),Portugal 114635 (+0.17%)
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 105886 (+8.64%)
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 105543 (+14.87%)
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 90620 (-0.24%)
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 77545 (+2.96%)
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 73087 (-8.85%)
Palma (PMI),Spain 53452 (+2.27%)
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 47170 (+25.13%)
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 40727 (+4.54%)
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 37674 (-0.28%)
Alicante (ALC),Spain 31552 (+33.23%)
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 30329 (+5.89%)
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 29140 (-4.52%)
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 27914 (+12.42%)
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 25329 (+6.92%)
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 24585 (+15.14%)
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 23951 (+44.90%)
Reus (REU),Spain 17928 (+0.24%)
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 16530 (-11.45%)
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 16105 (NEW)
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 15228 (+31.56%)
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 12527 (-24.18%)
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 11927 (-1.38%)
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 11461 (NEW)
Bergamo - Orio Al Seri (BGY),Italy 9512 (+5.63%)
Bordeaux - Merignac (BOD),France 8686 (-1.40%)
Madrid (MAD),Spain 8678 (+19.48%)
Gerona (GRO),Spain 8627 (+3.05%)
Carcassonne (CCF),France 8618 (-2.94%)
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 7739 (NEW)
Lourdes - Tarbes (LDE),France 6111 (-2.77%)
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 3820 (+104.11%)
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 3526 (NEW)
Salzburg (SZG),Austria 3232 (+3.13%)
Rennes (RNS),France 2868 (+10.90%)
Split (SPU),Croatia 1018 (+83.60%)
North Pole - Rovaniemi (RVN),Finland 844 (-0.94%)
Dubrovnik (DBV),Croatia 814 (-30.22%)
Farnborough (FAB),Great Britain 482 (+66.55%)
Jersey (JER),Great Britain 325 (-88.26%)

MUC returning from 22/12 for Winter Ski with EI.

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Originally Posted by Jack1985 (Post 10115676)

MUC returning from 22/12 for Winter Ski with EI.

Good to see more capacity at Cork for the winter. Where has the extra capacity come from for the three new winter routes? FAO, LIS and MUC are all additions for the winter.

FAO is Ryanair and seems to be served by a non-Cork-based aircraft.

Aer Lingus Aircraft haven’t been fully utilized November to February, but it’s not clear what happens from March onward for Lisbon

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Good to see more capacity at Cork for the winter. Where has the extra capacity come from for the three new winter routes? FAO, LIS and MUC are all additions for the winter.

The Lisbon schedule is now visible, so it looks like we can answer this question. There has been a bit of juggling round and it appears to me that there is also a small frequency increase on Malaga. The loser in all this seems to be Lanzarote, which is currently showing at 1x weekly as long as EI allow future bookings. With the loads and prices charged, that had always looked like a bit of a cash cow, but with the long sectors, it looks like extra flights can be squeezed out of the aircraft by reducing frequency. Plus, Ryanair capacity increases on the route in recent years may have been hurting.

In other news, Newquay will now run to October 6th, so a slightly extended season.

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Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10127544)

ACE was or is due to run Tue (09.15), Thu (13.30) and Sat (13.30). I think the schedule has space at those times and should be out in a few days.

ACE also ran Mon last winter so LIS replaces this along with a re-shuffle of Canaries.

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Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10127544)

The loser in all this seems to be Lanzarote, which is currently showing at 1x weekly as long as EI allow future bookings. With the loads and prices charged, that had always looked like a bit of a cash cow, but with the long sectors, it looks like extra flights can be squeezed out of the aircraft by reducing frequency. Plus, Ryanair capacity increases on the route in recent years may have been hurting.

Not sure where your working that one out, ACE is 3 weekly for next Winter. Over all Aer Lingus are increasing both weekly flights and capacity next Winter.

Ryanair have loaded Cork-Santander onto their booking engine, although with no flights yet available. Seems to me it's highly possible FR want to go after the new ferry service operated by Brittany Ferries.