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BA318 3rd Sep 2018 21:36

Are the rumours about Flybe getting a new livery correct? They posted a teaser today on twitter.

toledoashley 3rd Sep 2018 22:02

It seems to be a ‘revised’ livery, rather than another overhaul. Sounds like removing the other colours, so just purple and white to fit with the new ‘Closer to you’ branding. Not that they have more important things to focus on... ��

Cazza_fly 3rd Sep 2018 22:32


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 10240682)
Are the rumours about Flybe getting a new livery correct? They posted a teaser today on twitter.

The rumours are indeed correct and whilst not unexpected, i feel are completely unnecessary. Even with the more recent less colourful 'close to you' branding update being used online and as part of passenger print material, the livery still stands out amongst the crowd. It also enabled Flybe to make use of the colours again in the future. It was only 4 years ago when this current purple livery was rolled out and it still hasn't managed to become uniform across the whole fleet by any means. I don't expect this revised one to roll out much quicker, even if it is just the removal of the vivid colour bands.

The only reason for the update i can presume, is that the more simplified purple / lilac tone livery and 'close to you' branding saves money on paint and and other printing material ?

BA318 4th Sep 2018 11:21

Seems this is the new livery.

Basically very similar to Eastern's livery on their E170s.

El Bunto 4th Sep 2018 11:30


Originally Posted by TangoAlphad (Post 10240725)
Perhaps the 'closer to you' is to distance themselves from the old faster than road or rail ...

I can't remember if it was someone on this forum that quipped "faster than walking" but it has come to mind everytime I see their 'proper' slogan.

Cyrano 4th Sep 2018 12:19


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 10241059)
Seems this is the new livery. https://twitter.com/flybe/status/1036935863698116612

Basically very similar to Eastern's livery on their E170s.

And very similar to the Bombardier house livery for the Q400, with blue replaced by purple.

RVF750 4th Sep 2018 12:45

I quite like it. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...5c621de25b.jpg

stewyb 4th Sep 2018 12:53

Not bad but would definitely replace the small purple logo at the front with a larger one across the windows much like the previous scheme, otherwise the white looks too bland!

lfc84 4th Sep 2018 13:21

cheaper and quicker to paint

DC3 Dave 4th Sep 2018 13:43

Does anyone know why you cannot access the timetable via the Flybe website at the moment? It's been like that for couple of days.

BA318 4th Sep 2018 13:50


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10241166)
Does anyone know why you cannot access the timetable via the Flybe website at the moment? It's been like that for couple of days.

Maybe updating the schedules?

bycrewlgw 4th Sep 2018 14:10


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10241166)
Does anyone know why you cannot access the timetable via the Flybe website at the moment? It's been like that for couple of days.

been like it for over a week now mate. At least for me anyway.

Expressflight 4th Sep 2018 14:15


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10241166)
Does anyone know why you cannot access the timetable via the Flybe website at the moment? It's been like that for couple of days.

The layout of the new website suggests there is a timetable but when you click on the link it doesn't appear. When I queried this with Flybe they seemed unaware of the fact but said they would "look into it".

stewyb 4th Sep 2018 14:58

Looks better with the larger front logo!

https://imgur.com/WexHJtk

Cazza_fly 4th Sep 2018 16:50


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 10241219)
Looks better with the larger front logo!

https://imgur.com/WexHJtk

Wow! Completely agree. Got to hope perhaps that this first aircraft will be having a special sticker / promotional titles applied once back in Exeter and that the actual livery will indeed look like the above ?

The Nutts Mutts 4th Sep 2018 17:20

I'm guessing it'll be the remaining white aircraft that will be repainted in the new livery, rather than the ones that are already purple, at least initially?

toledoashley 4th Sep 2018 17:22


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10241287)
Looks awful, if I could use one word to describe it then it would be the C word. A complete waste of time and money, and will take another 6 years before Flybe has a uniformed livery. Personally I can't stand Christine anymore, what exactly has she done any better then what Saad Hammad did? Removing the Embraer 195s Saads Plan, the fleet review Would of happened regardless of who was CEO. Along with many other balls up I fail to see anything remarkable she has achieved within her first year of office, other than rebranding a company that didn't need rebranding.

What we have gone from is a brand identity that is already rolled out across airport, aircraft, staff and internal, to a pervy sounding slogan, rubbish looking livery and a CEO paid of £400K a year! Mark my words she won't be the CEO any longer than another 18 months.

You can add mass exodus of senior staff as well to that list.

MAJP 4th Sep 2018 17:45


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 10241219)
Looks better with the larger front logo!

https://imgur.com/WexHJtk

A fake?
Or they paint it latter?

stewyb 4th Sep 2018 18:45


Originally Posted by MAJP (Post 10241330)
A fake?
Or they paint it latter?

this is a mock up circulating online

Cloud1 4th Sep 2018 19:54

Why do I get the feeling that when Flybe’s reputation takes a harder bashing than normal they just repaint the planes. It’s what Saad did when he took over. Really am not keen on the shade of purple......and it’s a bit boring.

edit: have seen that there is a paler shade of purple underneath the darker shade which makes it look nicer.

Albert Hall 4th Sep 2018 20:28

I thought I'd seen it all but then this came along. If a rebrand is so important to your company's position in the market, you launch it and get on with it. A rebrand which the press reports say will take seven years to complete so as to minimise the impact on finances sounds like the management don't believe it needs to be done - a real question of lack of authority to carry through a change. Setting aside the fact I think it looks insipid - particularly the light purple bit which is almost invisible - then the way in which this is being conducted will just perpetuate the multitude of Flybe liveries out there and the associated brand confusion. Ridiculous on all counts - better to have done nothing at all than a compromise of this nature which suits no-one. It's just weak and ineffective.

Skipness One Foxtrot 4th Sep 2018 21:15

Three liveries on the go at once, the sign of a business in a bad spot.
See also VS

EI-BUD 4th Sep 2018 21:59

I agree with many of the comments above. Flybe does not need a rebrand, the paint is hardly dry on the latest colour scheme. This will add no value in the short term.

The challenge as I see it is the airline doesn't know where it is or distinctly where it needs to be. Faster than Road or Rail in my view is a nonsense maxim for this regional airline, and I'm not convinced that it resonates with many.

​​​​They possibly should consider looking at a mix of small UK regional ops, very selected UK-EU routes , demand lead routes AND ACMI ops for large EU carriers... They seem to morph into something new, with limited consistency....

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 05:49

They are supposed to be going back to their roots in being a regional airline so we'll see how that works! In the meantime i look forward to flying with them again in October!

caaardiff 5th Sep 2018 05:56

Is the whole fleet being painted in this livery or is this a 'new' and cheaper livery that will be on the aircraft not yet completely purple?

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 06:00


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10241630)
Is the whole fleet being painted in this livery or is this a 'new' and cheaper livery that will be on the aircraft not yet completely purple?

The whole fleet over 6 years

JobsaGoodun 5th Sep 2018 07:21


Originally Posted by EI-BUD (Post 10241484)
I agree with many of the comments above. Flybe does not need a rebrand, the paint is hardly dry on the latest colour scheme. This will add no value in the short term.

The challenge as I see it is the airline doesn't know where it is or distinctly where it needs to be. Faster than Road or Rail in my view is a nonsense maxim for this regional airline, and I'm not convinced that it resonates with many.

Sorry, but is this not a bit contradictory? The full purple livery saw the slogan 'Faster than Road or Rail' plastered on the side of the engine nacelles which you agree is a nonsense, but you state that Flybe does not need a rebrand?

The newly painted aircraft (G-JECP) clearly needed a new coat following repairs carried out recently. Flybe will probably have needed to confirm what livery was to be applied to the new E175's coming from Embraer next year too - should they paint them full purple or not?

Personally, I think this a far crisper, cleaner and professional design. it looks business like and is all about helping to define the brand. I guess that with a large number of the fleet coming towards the end of their lease and potentially reaching the point where a new lick of paint is required (new livery or not) now seems like a sensible time to decide to make a change.

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 07:38

Considering the livery is quite similar to Eastern Airways livery could that suggest something in the future like a merger?

SWBKCB 5th Sep 2018 07:51


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10241702)
Considering the livery is quite similar to Eastern Airways livery could that suggest something in the future like a merger?

A bit tenuous...

And why would you want to merge with Eastern?!

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 07:59


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10241713)
A bit tenuous...

And why would you want to merge with Eastern?!

Well they are franchise partners already so it could be a next step in their relationship?

SWBKCB 5th Sep 2018 10:52

While almost anything is better than the current purple monstrosity, are we not over doing this branding malarkey? If I wanted to get from say Newcastle to Exeter, cost, timing and dare I say it perceived reliability are important than the colour the plane is painted. To non-aviation types, flying on a plane with propellers is more of an issue...

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 10:57


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10241824)
During Christine's era or Saad's?

At least we can be guaranteed of a few things:
1) The new livery will be hailed as a new era for Flybe
2) Promises of return to profit
3) Loses will continue
4)Blame the government for not enough support, and claims train operators get a better deal.
5) More claims to solve the problems, and more staff coming and goings.

I've seen some excuse here that the repaint is to make them a regional airline again, since when where they not a regional airline? The previous livery was to reflect Regional Connectivity, keeping some of the original Flybe and mixing it with something new and more vibrant. This new livery is an aim to cover the cracks of a failing airline, and a failing CEO. If Christine was so adamant about having a new livery, then it would have been the perfect time to design or alter the logo, which has been around for 16 years and looks a little dated, and out of touch with both the 2014 and 2018 rebrands. Christine has also failed to explain who will cover the cost of Blue Islands repainting its fleet since all 5 ATR's have only just received the all over purple livery. By the time this livery is finally in place Flybe will have gone over 10 years without a standard livery in place.

If you are referring to me i never said that the livery was to take them back to being a regional airline i said they are going to focus on being a regional airline unlike before when they ordered a stupid amount of E jets and had grand designs on being a EU wide regional airline.
As for the livery does it actually matter so much whether every plane in the fleet is the same? As for the CEO do you know what she's doing day to day wise to get the airline back on track? And as for the railways they do get perceived different to airlines and APD effects the profits of all airlines in the UK especially the smaller ones.

Deano777 5th Sep 2018 11:24

Ohhhhh airsouthwest you really need to let go of your little airline that went to the wall nearly 10 years ago. Being so bitter will only cause you health problems later in life.

The E175s due for delivery next year will be painted in the new colours, the rest of the fleet will be done at a rate of about 10 per year based on their need for a repaint.

AirportPlanner1 5th Sep 2018 12:41


Originally Posted by Deano777 (Post 10241855)
Ohhhhh airsouthwest you really need to let go of your little airline that went to the wall nearly 10 years ago. Being so bitter will only cause you health problems later in life.

I thought he made some good points to be fair. And Air Southwest didn’t exactly go to the wall, more like had the rug pulled from under them when Plymouth was closed by the parent company. It was an orderly shutdown in advance, not a sudden dramatic closure leaving thousands stranded.

Chesty Morgan 5th Sep 2018 13:11

Don’t worry about Deano, if ever anything is said about his precious Flybe, even if it is accurate, then he gets all passive aggressive. Always has always will.

It’s what makes him such good value on PPRuNe.

Deano777 5th Sep 2018 14:24

Hahaha Chesty, you've inadvertently described yourself, which one of us two has had an account banned because of the aggressive nature of how we post? I'll help you out a little; not me. Have a good day.

Chesty Morgan 5th Sep 2018 14:58

Uhh nor me, but then you never really deal in facts.

Anyway, I guess Flybe must’ve made a profit for a change or are all these paint jobs going on the credit card again.

PDXCWL45 5th Sep 2018 15:05


Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan (Post 10242017)
Uhh nor me, but then you never really deal in facts.

Anyway, I guess Flybe must’ve made a profit for a change or are all these paint jobs going on the credit card again.

The work will be in-house and done during aircraft maintenance


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