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inOban 23rd Aug 2018 17:36


Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10231563)


FR are walking away from GLA completely, itís nothing to do with EZY competition. Although EZY domestics from STN still seem to do very well even when the price is double.

You only need to look at EZYís short lived venture into the ROI, the LTN-CPH bloodbath and their HAM base closure to see that they cannot compete with FR on a cost basis. EZY is much more of a conservative business model and thatís why their financial results are always very, very good. They will only have aircraft flying where there is money to be made.

LTN needed more competition on your ALC and AGP and to a lesser extent BCN.

With their rapidly-rising wage bill, are their costs still much less than Ezyjets?

And if Glasgow was profitable, they could have operated flights from STN, although that would lose the day trip business market, mainly southbound in the morning.

_aax1 23rd Aug 2018 17:39


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10231713)
With their rapidly-rising wage bill, are their costs still much less than Ezyjets?

And if Glasgow was profitable, they could have operated flights from STN, although that would lose the day trip business market, mainly southbound in the morning.

Look at their financial results, they make a massive percentage of their money on ancillary. Often unfair ancillary such as airport check-in. With APD itís easy to see FR make a loss on basic fares on a lot of routes. FR have a lower cost base than EZY by looking at the markets they operate in, particularly Eastern Europe. GLA is not worth operating at business frequency with a STN based aircraft when there are limited A.M. slots from STN and the aircraft can be used on more lucrative routes.

compton3bravo 23rd Aug 2018 17:45

Only the Irish pilots mik and they still have to vote on the proposals, so best not to jump the gun just yet.

_aax1 23rd Aug 2018 21:03

Ryanair to end free gate bag policy where bags are tagged at the gate if priority has not paid. Passengers will now have to pay between £6-8 to take a 10kg bag into the cabin, or £8-10 to check in a 10kg cabin sized bag at check-in. Passengers whom don't pay can only take a small bag with them for the flight which will be placed under the seat in front of them.

I think this is a better policy than their current 'priority and two cabin bags'.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ryanair-luggage/ryanair-to-end-free-10-kg-bag-in-luggage-overhaul-idUKKCN1L8222?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&ut m_content=5b7ef75b04d30158bc38c407&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm _source=facebook

racedo 23rd Aug 2018 21:13


Originally Posted by j636 (Post 10231677)

Priority boarding currently costs 6-8 euro so they could have more problems if more people purchase it and on time performance will not improve.

No sure how it would affect OTP as whether there are 60 or 100 bags in the hold there isn't a huge time impact between loading and unloading, couple of minutes but bearing in mind schedule planning I doubt it makes a 5 minutes difference on turnaround so will easily be accommodated on existing time.

racedo 23rd Aug 2018 21:20


Originally Posted by mik3bravo (Post 10231634)
True. Commercial aviation insurance law being worked on to reflect this inevitable advance to fully autonomous civilian passenger flights.

It's going to happen whether people like it or not and even if you end up with 1 person in cockpit as back up the aircraft it is planned.
Friend was a FE with BA until they changed it and he old enough to remember Radio officer etc.

It will require a lot of technology changes at airports but that will happen anyway over time.

If Man can send unmanned craft with people to a space station thousands of miles away then London to New York shouldn't be impossible.

j636 23rd Aug 2018 23:48


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10231829)
No sure how it would affect OTP as whether there are 60 or 100 bags in the hold there isn't a huge time impact between loading and unloading, couple of minutes but bearing in mind schedule planning I doubt it makes a 5 minutes difference on turnaround so will easily be accommodated on existing time.

Priority boarding guarantees you can bring 2 bags on board, with the checked in 10kg been the same price as PB, it is likely most will opt for PB and then you will create a new problem (or the old) one where there is to many bags on board (i.e the current policy was designated to reduce this) so they will either have to completely drop the guarantee of two bags on board or increase PB to make checking in 10kg for 8 quid viable.

FRatSTN 24th Aug 2018 07:30

Priority will be capped at 95 pax per flight so there won't be an oversupply of larger carry on bags at the gate.

​​​​​​​If they find they are regularly selling out of priority too quickly, I'm sure they'd adjust the pricing to suit.

mik3bravo 24th Aug 2018 07:56

FR should have stuck to their process and should not have softened their controls on excessive and oversized cabin bags being size checked at the boarding gate. If it's too bulky or you're taking the p!ss by attempting to take on board large luggage or several pieces then all these items should be religiously tagged and dumped in the hold.

Clearly, some pax have extreme difficulties following the basic rules. Cabin aisles choked with punters clambering for overhead cabin bag space for their grandfather clock or whatever sh!he these clowns chance trying to get on board. Push backs get cocked up, slots missed, and all because some selfish idiots want to make sure they're alright, but sod the rest of the pax on board.

To be fair, I don't blame the airline for changing the carry on baggage rules, the actions of some pax have ruined it for everyone else. Though I expect FR personnel to get hard-core with any idiot at the boarding gate who can't stick to the basic and reasonable rules.

SWBKCB 24th Aug 2018 08:03


all these items should be religiously tagged and dumped in the hold.
And how long will that take? RYR are reaping what they sowed by discouraging hold baggage by charging more for a bag than a seat.

mik3bravo 24th Aug 2018 08:22


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10232093)
And how long will that take? RYR are reaping what they sowed by discouraging hold baggage by charging more for a bag than a seat.

Yes, I agree however, many other airlines are fairly on it when it comes to checking pax carry on bags when people are waiting to board. For example, I use City airport frequently every month, they are all over it at the gate well in advance of starting the boarding. Tag it, dump at bag cart at base of the aircraft steps, have cabin crew member stood at the base of the steps enforcing it and that will stamp out these clowns who can't read the rules.

AirportPlanner1 24th Aug 2018 08:38

Itís not necessarily that pax are clowns that canít follow basic rules. In the old days you knew where you were, you had 20k in the hold and a rucksack-size allowance on board.

Now every airline has their own rules which also differs depending whether youíve paid a premium or not. Currently if you donít pay to upgrade handbags allowances include:

- just a tiny bag on Ryanair with larger carry-on in the hold free taken at the gate

- one large carry-on with EasyJet, no additional small bag

- one large carry/on and one small bag/laptop on BA

- one large carry-on and one decent size rucksack on Jet2

- one large carry-on (but different size to the others) and one small bag on Flybe

- one small bag on Wizz and Wow, charge for large carry-on

- one large carry-on on Westjet (but a different size to the others)

- one large carry-on and one small bag on Norwegian

On top of this, you have to negotiate rules changing!

mik3bravo 24th Aug 2018 08:50

Admittedly, it's all tedious but it still doesn't get away from the fact that people should take responsibility for their actions. When you book online, the bag allowance details are made available by each airline, Ryanair is no different. I simply can't understand why it's an airlines fault if people either refuse to read the booking bag allowance when booking, or as I suspect is now becoming the norm, people are taking chances and hoping they'll squeeze some oversized, or several carry on bags into the cabin, undetected.

But of course, the spin and negativity will go into full speed, bashing the airline when pax should face up to their accountability and responsibility. If it's oversized or excessive number of bags, then tag it and into the hold it goes.

Trav a la 24th Aug 2018 09:42

IMO this change is not about saving time but making more money now that Ryanair's finances are being squeezed by strikes, EU261 etc The present system isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.

The priority/economy queue split is often about a 50/50, allowing the priority passengers on board first with all their baggage first that slows the process down. Dropping your economy bag onto a trolley is a very quick process and takes no additional time at all. Having done that you inevitably find yourself waiting to board for quite a few minutes while priority passengers load their bags into the overhead locker bins at the front of the aircraft. Having done that with the beast from the east howling across the ramp at MAN earlier this year still brings back memories of being absolutely frozen to the bone.

To speed the process up they should always use both front and rear doors, which they don't, and priority should use the front and economy should use the rear door.

The inevitable consequence of forcing more and more passengers to pay for priority boarding will result in unsustainable self defeat. I'll predict a year, max, before more changes and more charges.

brian_dromey 24th Aug 2018 10:45


Originally Posted by Trav a la (Post 10232150)
The inevitable consequence of forcing more and more passengers to pay for priority boarding will result in unsustainable self defeat. I'll predict a year, max, before more changes and more charges.

I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything. FR travel essentially comes with no baggage allowance, either in the hold or in the cabin. Personally, I think the current system works well, but it must be costing FR money to have ground staff handling all those bags tagged at the gate. I thought that the ideal would be allowing passengers to check-in their hand luggage, in effect this is what is happening from Nov 1. Except it is not 'free'.

lfc84 24th Aug 2018 11:01

I have four Ryanair sectors booked between November and February. I don't particularly like the new cabin baggage policy. If it had been cheaper to cancel and rebook with a competitor then I would have done so. But it was still cheaper to add 'priority + 2 cabin bags' to the four sectors. Notwithstanding the ability to obtain a refund, it does leave a sour taste in the mouth that they make such changes to the cabin bag policy affecting already ticketed reservations. I'm not talking about four £20 sectors here either, I'm talking about each sector being at least £120 before the 'priority + 2 cabin bags was paid for'. Hence the bitter taste.

FrequentlyFlying 24th Aug 2018 11:36

Having enquiried today about the changes TO SMALL CARRY ON BAGS which they confused the media with an increase in LTRS sizes when they had previously only given dimensions - I have found several more answers. The small carry on bag has increased from 30 x 20 x 20 to 35 x 20 x 20 and are increasing the gate Ďsizerí by a further 25% to allow for Ďsmall errors or inflated bagsí - seems fair enough but to make it sound a bigger increase they switch to LTRS increase for the media it appears. The PRIORITY max that can be booked is capped to the FIRST 95 cases to be booked - so any issues with too many priority cases are managed with this policy. Again sensible so if you try and book it and itís aold out it wonít be coming through the gate it will have to be checked in. Those who fail to understand/follow the policy - they will be made to pay 25£:Ä at the gate and it will be placed IN THE HOLD in the way non priority bags are currently.

i regularly travel with a 30 x 20 x 20 bag and have no issue, but also I donít see Ďdelayí as a reason, more delays are caused queuing post Gate - I do see large use of resource for sticking the tags on pre-gate, which I presume obviously has Ďa costí to FR - so guessing thatís where the real pressure is - this Ďadditionalí charge to customers will probably be little more than neutral to them in their bottom line but it will probably prevent them having to pass these resource costs on in ticket price increases - they do a lot of things right but sometimes they can help but shoot them selves in the foot - this should have been the switch originally - not the first airline to have carry on small bags only without charge - they must have planned this Ďdirection of travelí with the last change and should have just done it then. As for Ltrs for case sizes do me a fave FR ..STOP!

brian_dromey 24th Aug 2018 11:37


Originally Posted by lfc84 (Post 10232200)
I'm not talking about four £20 sectors here either, I'm talking about each sector being at least £120 before the 'priority + 2 cabin bags was paid for'. Hence the bitter taste.

Which is the point. Even when adding a baggage option that suits the passenger, FR are still cheaper and/or more convenient than the competition.

AirportPlanner1 24th Aug 2018 13:12


Originally Posted by brian_dromey (Post 10232226)
Which is the point. Even when adding a baggage option that suits the passenger, FR are still cheaper and/or more convenient than the competition.

That doesnít make it acceptable. A burger in McDonalds is cheaper than a burger in GBK, if youíve paid for your Big Mac but then before handing it over to you they demand £1 extra itís still cheaper than GBK but I donít think youíd be happy at all.

Also for all you know the competition might have been cheaper than the new fare at the time of booking.

AerRyan 24th Aug 2018 13:23


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10232290)


That doesnít make it acceptable. A burger in McDonalds is cheaper than a burger in GBK, if youíve paid for your Big Mac but then before handing it over to you they demand £1 extra itís still cheaper than GBK but I donít think youíd be happy at all.

Also for all you know the competition might have been cheaper than the new fare at the time of booking.

No it's not like that at all.

Take the same analogy, but McDonalds charge you extra if you want more on the burger like gerkins onions etc. You don't have to have the gerkins or onions, but even if you do it's still cheaper.
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Plus, you can't complain when they tell you that they charge this before you make any purchase.


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