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MARKEYD 23rd Aug 2019 13:35

Sorry but I wouldn’t get to alarmed by the results

1 ) Which Magazine that had 4000 grumbly old “ Victor Meldrews “ read and comment on

2 ) That 4000 readers also read the Daily Mail and hate anything English

3 ) Average age 78

sixchannel 23rd Aug 2019 13:40


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 10552465)
Sorry but I wouldn’t get to alarmed by the results

1 ) Which Magazine that had 4000 grumbly old “ Victor Meldrews “ read and comment on

2 ) That 4000 readers also read the Daily Mail and hate anything English

3 ) Average age 78

Leary wouldnt care anyway. Only the bottom line interests him.

paully 23rd Aug 2019 18:05

Being slated by Which?, O`Leary would regard as little more than free publicity..

G-FORZ 23rd Aug 2019 18:37

They provide a reliable regular bus service, not a luxury coach once a week - which and its readers need to get real.

racedo 23rd Aug 2019 18:56


Originally Posted by airsound (Post 10552450)
Huffpost says

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...yBrief23082019

Or go directly to Which if you're a subscriber.

airsound

Which? has in excess of 1.5 million members and 4000 replied.

It hasn't got any credibility in its surveys and hasn't had for decades and uses press releases as yet another method of adding on subscribers. Unlike other surveys there is no proof of a single person answering the survey 1.) they have ever flown Ryanair 2.) involved in contacting Ryanair customer services.

Yet UK media quote them as Gospel.

Lon12 23rd Aug 2019 21:13

Ryanair confirms that will close 4 bases in Spain next January.

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/08/24...xt-year-union/

FlyboyUK 24th Aug 2019 07:29

One can’t help but wonder how quickly will those airports become new bases for other airlines in the group that are on a lower cost base?

daz211 24th Aug 2019 12:19

Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.

2Para 24th Aug 2019 14:25


Originally Posted by FlyboyUK (Post 10552992)
One can’t help but wonder how quickly will those airports become new bases for other airlines in the group that are on a lower cost base?

lower lower cost than ryanair?

inOban 24th Aug 2019 14:46

I suspect that now their staff are on proper contracts and therefore more expensive than casual labour, that their cost base is much the same as their competitors. How does Wizz pay its staff?

racedo 24th Aug 2019 16:43


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553160)
Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.

Nope

More of a contant willingness to review what they are doing, what is working, what is not, what needs to change quickly and slowly and doing it. No resting on Laurels but getting better all the time and not being wedded to history.

In addition there are 4 people seeking MOL's job in 2022.

ssflyer 24th Aug 2019 16:59


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553160)
Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.

Definitely
FR was my only real LCC choice for years out of BHX/EMA.
Maybe 30+ flights but now I have now stopped using them completely.
Jet2 beats them into a cocked hat.Price,their own,not Agency staff, aircraft, timings -the lot
SSF

daz211 24th Aug 2019 17:53


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10553311)
Nope

More of a contant willingness to review what they are doing, what is working, what is not, what needs to change quickly and slowly and doing it. No resting on Laurels but getting better all the time and not being wedded to history.

In addition there are 4 people seeking MOL's job in 2022.

Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.

PDXCWL45 24th Aug 2019 18:56


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553346)


Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.

except that the UK isn't Ryanairs only market they fly from all over western Europe to the canaries.

daz211 24th Aug 2019 19:24

I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.

mik3bravo 24th Aug 2019 19:40


Originally Posted by paully (Post 10552651)
Being slated by Which?, O`Leary would regard as little more than free publicity..

Best free advertising! Profit is king.

PDXCWL45 24th Aug 2019 19:58


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553397)
I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.

But the difference is though that Jet2 focus more on the package side of the business now while Ryanair are more flight only. Jet2 seems to be effecting TUI and TCX more than Ryanair. Has there been any big cuts to the holiday market's from Ryanair from the South east?

racedo 25th Aug 2019 11:42


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553346)
Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.

Not in the slightest. Jet2 after a different market segment and it is a UK centric brand that people know zero about in Europe.

In 2018 Jet2 fly 12 million people, in Juy 2019 Ryanair flew 14.8 million.

caaardiff 25th Aug 2019 14:08


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10553397)
I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.

What routes does FR operate with aircraft based in the Canaries to the UK where there's an overlap with Jet2. I would've thought any Canaries routes from STN/LTN would be operated by aircraft based in the UK, which is then irrelevant to the closure of the Canaries bases.

NorthEasterner 25th Aug 2019 15:01


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10553841)
What routes does FR operate with aircraft based in the Canaries to the UK where there's an overlap with Jet2. I would've thought any Canaries routes from STN/LTN would be operated by aircraft based in the UK, which is then irrelevant to the closure of the Canaries bases.

Newcastle is one of them and no doubt some other regional UK airports such as Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham, East Midlands etc. Any base closure for destination from NCL is likely to have the route dropped unless a base is opened or an aircraft on a W sector.

yeo valley 25th Aug 2019 16:29

Do Ryanair do any W sectors now.

LBIA 25th Aug 2019 17:26


Originally Posted by yeo valley (Post 10553933)
Do Ryanair do any W sectors now.

Yeap LBA based aircraft dose LBA-IBZ-MPL-IBZ-LBA ever Thursday and Sunday afternoon this summer.

eu01 25th Aug 2019 18:10


Originally Posted by LBIA (Post 10553966)
Yeap LBA based aircraft does LBA-IBZ-MPL-IBZ-LBA every Thursday and Sunday afternoon this summer.

Rather unlikely next summer. British based aircraft won't be able to serve intra-EU flights while W-pattern LBA-IBZ-UK(any)-IBZ-LBA would be too long,


caaardiff 25th Aug 2019 19:15

Having gone through FR's timetable for December for all TFS-UK flights, there will be 54 flights per week, split as 40 operated by aircraft based in the UK and 14 by aircraft based in TFS. They fly to 13 UK destinations from TFS;
5 Airports are operated solely by UK based aircraft (BOH/BRS/EDI/LBA/LTN)
6 Airports are operated by a mix of UK and TFS based aircraft (BHX/BFS/EMA/PIK/MAN/STN/)
2 Airports are operated solely by TFS based aircraft (CWL/NCL)

The Airports that have mixed based aircraft flying the route only have 1 or 2 flights per week from the TFS base. For example BHX has 4 flights per week, 3 by BHX aircraft and 1 by TFS. If there's no slack in the BHX based aircraft schedule, BHX could lose 1 flight per week, or another flight to make way for the TFS flight.
CWL (2 pw) and NCL (3 pw) stand to lose their flights, although various articles state that no routes will be lost. I can't see how they can operate W patterns on TFS without taxiing crews around and putting them up in hotels, which I can't imagine FR paying for!
Would a DUB-CWL-TFS-CWL-DUB be within crew hours?
Could a random routing using 2 aircraft work; Aircraft 1) DUB-CWL-TFS-DUB & Aircraft 2) DUB-TFS-CWL-DUB, also giving CWL a DUB flight a few times a week.

OltonPete 25th Aug 2019 19:45

BHX-TFS
 

Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10554016)
Having gone through FR's timetable for December for all TFS-UK flights, there will be 54 flights per week, split as 40 operated by aircraft based in the UK and 14 by aircraft based in TFS. They fly to 13 UK destinations from TFS;
5 Airports are operated solely by UK based aircraft (BOH/BRS/EDI/LBA/LTN)
6 Airports are operated by a mix of UK and TFS based aircraft (BHX/BFS/EMA/PIK/MAN/STN/)
2 Airports are operated solely by TFS based aircraft (CWL/NCL)

The Airports that have mixed based aircraft flying the route only have 1 or 2 flights per week from the TFS base. For example BHX has 4 flights per week, 3 by BHX aircraft and 1 by TFS. If there's no slack in the BHX based aircraft schedule, BHX could lose 1 flight per week, or another flight to make way for the TFS flight.
CWL (2 pw) and NCL (3 pw) stand to lose their flights, although various articles state that no routes will be lost. I can't see how they can operate W patterns on TFS without taxiing crews around and putting them up in hotels, which I can't imagine FR paying for!
Would a DUB-CWL-TFS-CWL-DUB be within crew hours?
Could a random routing using 2 aircraft work; Aircraft 1) DUB-CWL-TFS-DUB & Aircraft 2) DUB-TFS-CWL-DUB, also giving CWL a DUB flight a few times a week.

BHX has a spare operational aircraft on a Tuesday only (the 4th based often stays all winter operating at Christmas) and hopefully the Monday away based TFS flight will move to Tuesday. However BHX also served 3 times a week by a Faro based aircraft and once by an Arrecife based aircraft which can't be incorporated into the BHX schedule without the 4th aircraft operating.

I assume there is a 90 day consultation period for the base closures, which then actually allow for flights still to be sold in the short-term even if some are unlikely to operate such as CWL and NCL - TFS (unless of course they open new UK bases). Although I am not sure what the percentage rate is of over-turning a decision during the 90-day consultation period but I bet it is low.

Pete

eye2eye5 25th Aug 2019 21:45

I think you forgot LPL, Caaardiff.

caaardiff 26th Aug 2019 08:41


Originally Posted by eye2eye5 (Post 10554097)
I think you forgot LPL, Caaardiff.

Yes I did, thanks. LPL has 1 weekly flight that's operated by TFS based aircraft.

Jamesair 26th Aug 2019 08:57

NEWCASTLE will have the same problem if/when the Gerona base closes

commit aviation 26th Aug 2019 14:09


Originally Posted by eu01 (Post 10553988)
Rather unlikely next summer. British based aircraft won't be able to serve intra-EU flights while W-pattern LBA-IBZ-UK(any)-IBZ-LBA would be too long,

Depends surely on the registration of the aircraft. Any registered within the EU can operate into the UK subject to the appropriate agreements being in place. So for example an EI registered Ryanair aircraft could operate LBA - IBZ and then still be perfectly ok to operate IBZ MPL IBZ as Ireland is still within the EU.
It can then return IBZ LBA.
Only issue would be intra-UK routes (STN - EDI for instance) if the appropriate freedoms were not approved.
I think the only UK registered aircraft is G-RUKA and that potentially couldn't operate the IBZ MPL IBZ or any other intra EU routes if no agreements were in place post Brexit.

That's my understanding anyway but happy to be corrected if others know different!

Cyrano 26th Aug 2019 15:56


Originally Posted by commit aviation (Post 10554582)
Depends surely on the registration of the aircraft. Any registered within the EU can operate into the UK subject to the appropriate agreements being in place. So for example an EI registered Ryanair aircraft could operate LBA - IBZ and then still be perfectly ok to operate IBZ MPL IBZ as Ireland is still within the EU.
It can then return IBZ LBA.
Only issue would be intra-UK routes (STN - EDI for instance) if the appropriate freedoms were not approved.
I think the only UK registered aircraft is G-RUKA and that potentially couldn't operate the IBZ MPL IBZ or any other intra EU routes if no agreements were in place post Brexit.

That's my understanding anyway but happy to be corrected if others know different!

Close but not quite. It's the nationality of the operator which is the main factor (in other words, what country has granted its AOC). So Ryanair UK will be able to operate UK domestic and (we assume) UK-EU. If it wants to lease in EI- registered aircraft to do so, that shouldn't be a problem (subject to agreement between UK CAA and EASA).

Flightrider 26th Aug 2019 15:57

Commit - your understanding is exactly right. As EI- registered aircraft, Ryanair would have rights to continue flying as it does today. The only constraints would be on use of an EI- registered aircraft on UK>non EU services or use of the G-reg aircraft on intra-EU services assuming in both cases that no Brexit deal is reached.

LGS6753 27th Aug 2019 07:38

The EU has already announced its "no-deal" position, which will essentially allow the current regime to continue for a limited period. It's one of a series of "mini-deals" that certain politicians deny exist.

CCFAIRPORT 27th Aug 2019 08:01


Originally Posted by LBIA (Post 10553966)
Yeap LBA based aircraft dose LBA-IBZ-MPL-IBZ-LBA ever Thursday and Sunday afternoon this summer.

I allow myself it's MRS and not MPL :)

ATNotts 28th Aug 2019 07:04


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10555075)
The EU has already announced its "no-deal" position, which will essentially allow the current regime to continue for a limited period. It's one of a series of "mini-deals" that certain politicians deny exist.

Fair enough, but that is a very short term agreement, in the medium to longer term the situation is essentially as described by others. Corporate decisions will have to be made, and that will depend, to a great extent on the damage, if any, that is done as a result of a disorderly UK exit from the EU.

davidjohnson6 28th Aug 2019 22:40

When will spring 2020 be put on sale in full ? I can see a number of routes that are on sale only up to late October 2019 - amd wondering whether these are going to end later this year, or if they will resume at the start of April next year...

Bengt 29th Aug 2019 07:14


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10556656)
When will spring 2020 be put on sale in full ? I can see a number of routes that are on sale only up to late October 2019 - amd wondering whether these are going to end later this year, or if they will resume at the start of April next year...

Also waiting for the summer schedule of 2020. From Stockholm Skavsta several routes are loaded (Stansted, Alicante, Malaga, Bergamo, Brussels etc.) but many are not (including Barcelona).

caaardiff 30th Aug 2019 09:29

TFS-NCL & TFS-CWL have been taken off sale, with the last flights on 5th Jan & 6th Jan respectively.

CCFAIRPORT 30th Aug 2019 10:45


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10557725)
TFS-NCL & TFS-CWL have been taken off sale, with the last flights on 5th Jan & 6th Jan respectively.

As well as :

Beauvais
Belfast
Bergamo
Cologne
Copenhagen
Eindhoven
Knock
Liverpool
Milan-Malpensa
Porto
Santander
Santiago-Comp.
Treviso
Valencia
Vitoria
and Wroclaw (announced few months ago)

CCFAIRPORT 30th Aug 2019 11:03

From LPA few routes have been taken off sales such as

Bologna
Charleroi
Eindhoven
Glasgow-Prestwick
Hamburg
Krakow
Leeds-LBA
Liverpool
Oslo-Torp
Santander
Stockholm-Skvasta
Treviso

I am not sure for 3 routes LBA LPL and PIK ! routes were mentionned as year around but disappeared after October 2019 ! so if someone knows ! I do apologize in adavance if it's a mistake !

lfc84 30th Aug 2019 11:09

I guess this is related to the TFS base closure so there's an associated rejig of schedules

I'm sure i read TFS base is closing


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