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The Fat Controller 16th Sep 2017 13:39

Pissing off a lot of people !

RAT 5 16th Sep 2017 15:15

And what reaction from the contractors? They trip half way across Europe in their own time and at own cost to position in for a few days supposedly lucrative work. They then find, at last minute, 50% of their flights are cancelled. They sit in an hotel at their own cost on unpaid SBY and then trudge their weary way home, to be repeated. If I treated a contractor like that, i.e. they turned up at my house and I said "sorry mate, but I'm off out for the day," I would receive a bill for their wasted time.
If it is true rostering staff have bailed out (or is it crewing) how will any roster be published? No roster = no crews in the correct place at the correct time. And how does Flt OPs, or commercial, decide which flight to cancel? Is there a morning dice-rolling session?

dusk2dawn 16th Sep 2017 15:16

A link to said recent ruling in European Court that is supposed to be the beginning of the end for MOL, please?

airbourne 16th Sep 2017 15:21


Originally Posted by SeaBreeze1 (Post 9893574)

The big problem here is crew shortage. Rumour from within says RYR are losing approx 150-200 pilots and cabin crew every couple of months.

I was told over 100 cabin crew quit in the last couple of weeks?

Scary if true!

Piltdown Man 16th Sep 2017 15:34

I find it surprising that Europe's largest, most punctual airline and profitable airline (so we are constantly told by a certain individual) is cancelling flights. This means that they have poor planning and/or insufficient staff on standby and/or insufficient staff who they can call in on Days Off to perform their advertised flight schedule. Calling people on Days Off is normal for airlines when their back is against the wall. They can rely on staff who care about their company to get them out of a hole. Unless of course...

tubby linton 16th Sep 2017 16:02


Originally Posted by dusk2dawn (Post 9893715)
A link to said recent ruling in European Court that is supposed to be the beginning of the end for MOL, please?

https://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/def...ome%20Base.pdf

Johnny [email protected] Pants 16th Sep 2017 16:05

Thread started here nearly a week ago

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...g-flights.html

Starbear 16th Sep 2017 16:21

I think the wheels are finally coming off. (see what I did there?)

airsound 16th Sep 2017 16:21

Sorry Johnny FP - didn't think of looking in T&E before starting this thread!

Mods - feel free to merge if you think it's appropriate....

WHBM 16th Sep 2017 16:31


Originally Posted by Piltdown Man (Post 9893731)
Europe's largest ... and profitable airline (so we are constantly told by a certain individual)

Given this, which is regularly trotted out by O'Leary, why don't they subcharter in ?

Bonderman still wanting too much of the profits each month ?

Vokes55 16th Sep 2017 16:33

But most airlines offer their staff incentives to work days off. Contractors in Ryanair will only be paid their standard hourly rate, and with all pilots on and limited to 900 hours per year, there's no benefit to working outside of your five days on.

Proper companies offer their staff a day off payment. Ryanair would rather pay EU261 claims than give their staff any more money.

Bravo Zulu 16th Sep 2017 16:43


Originally Posted by Starbear (Post 9893758)
I think the wheels are finally coming off. (see what I did there?)


Beat you to that one on the other thread! Pretty Apt though hay!!

daz211 16th Sep 2017 16:47


Originally Posted by Vokes55 (Post 9893765)
But most airlines offer their staff incentives to work days off. Contractors in Ryanair will only be paid their standard hourly rate, and with all pilots on and limited to 900 hours per year, there's no benefit to working outside of your five days on.

Proper companies offer their staff a day off payment. Ryanair would rather pay EU261 claims than give their staff any more money.

This was always going to be bad for Ryanair but whoever thought they should try and fool or side step the paying passengers by putting the airlines punctuality before passengers needs and expectations, needs to be sacked, how on earth could an airline think by saying our punctuality is so important we have decided to cancel your flights just how was the paying passenger ment to take this they were never going to get sympathy but this has back fired more than any of us know.

Ryanair would have been better off spinning it with sorry we have grown so fast and our new aircraft are rolling off the production line faster than we can train staff and we apologise but we are a victim of our own success.

I'm sure it would have gone down better than on time performance :ugh:

daz211 16th Sep 2017 17:00

So tomorrow's cancellation list is out, Sorry I'm not good with numbers but no matter how hard I try I can't make the math add up to 40 or 50 more like 80 again http://bit.ly/2y5V7L8

KelvinD 16th Sep 2017 17:10

BBC interviewed a woman from Newcastle a couple of hours ago. She is in Wroclaw and due to fly back to Newcastle Monday. Ryanair emailed her to tell her the flight was cancelled. The passenger was unable to contact Ryanair by phone, email etc and was left with Ryanair's generous offer of a fare refund. 19.90 in her case. Taking an alternative flight is a bit tricky as Ryanair is apparently the only carrier flying between the 2 cities. Ryaniar have said that all passengers affected have been notified by email.

vikingivesterled 16th Sep 2017 17:12


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 9893777)
So tomorrow's cancellation list is out, Sorry I'm not good with numbers but no matter how hard I try I can't make the math add up to 40 or 50 more like 80 again http://bit.ly/2y5V7L8

Could the operations message to commercial have been lost in translation and they meant pairs instead of legs. Operationally you would probably cancel both the outbound and return in 1 transaction.

RAT 5 16th Sep 2017 17:14

'Airline goes on strike against passengers.' We'll let you buy a ticket then cancel the flight. Now where did I see that headline. It sounds Irish anyway.

It has been said so many times that unions have the longterm best interest of a company at heart. They want to have a long career. They also want a fair deal, and that is where the discussion breaks down. A union looks further ahead than management and can see a tsunami of poo building up over the horizon and knows on whose heads it is going to land. They try to be proactive to avoid such events because it does nobody any good in the long run. Bonuses & share price might rise in the short-term, but the pressure has built up and then bang. Good unions have often had to hang 'told you so' on the factory gates.
Would a unionised RYR have been in this state? Discuss.

daz211 16th Sep 2017 17:29


Originally Posted by vikingivesterled (Post 9893792)
Could the operations message to commercial have been lost in translation and they meant pairs instead of legs. Operationally you would probably cancel both the outbound and return in 1 transaction.

You might be right but this makes no sense as Ryanair's flights are not sold on the same basis as charter flights where the passengers on the outbound are more or less the same people on the inbound
But again this is Ryanair trying to pull the wool over passengers eyes by saying 40 flights should mean 40 flights but it's actually 80 flights
This is a massive mess and there is no point in Ryanair trying to hide or spin this they are just digging themselves deeper in to a massive hole just wait to see the share price Monday but I guess on the bright side some people will be making a lot of money buying shares in the next few days

LGS6753 16th Sep 2017 17:58

So, 80 flights today and 83 tomorrow.

Say 80 per day at 189 seats per aircraft at 90% load factor for six weeks (42 days). I make that 570,000 people disrupted.

If the real reason (as stated) is a requirement by the IAA to alter the holiday year, I'm sure MOL will be planning justifiable legal action against them, in which he would have a good chance of success.

Strangely, I've not heard any confirmation of this legal action.

vikingivesterled 16th Sep 2017 18:10


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 9893806)
just wait to see the share price Monday

Might not be as bad as one thinks. This can be a cost saving exercise over time if they are carefull sticking to high frequency destinations and cancel low load flights with alternative departures shortly before of after. It will certainly take more than their historic 1day/1week operational timehorizon.
Wonder if they ever got around integrating or transferring loads regularly from reservations to operations system, an AOCM (Automated Optimal Cancellation Module) might have been to negative a sounding investment.


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