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RAT 5 27th Sep 2017 18:46

For example, the cuts go beyond these route cancellations (many of which to be frank no one else would operate anyway).

The advantage they have, morally, legally or rightly so, is that they can close down these routes, which are crewed by 'contractors', at no cost. They simply tell the 'contractors' to move somewhere else or do not use them at all and give them an empty roster.
Many times we hear that RYR are coming into an airport, will bring 000's of pax and so create 00's of jobs in the local economy. For this magic they demand special treatment. No-one seems to ask what effect the closure of routes has on the local economy and local jobs. Surely that is a 2-way street.

rowly6339 27th Sep 2017 19:13

The cost of these cancellations is set to go from 22m to near 50m, if I was a shareholder I would be calling for someone to be axed and that would be somebody high up. I don't care how big they are this will seriously hurt them for a long time to come.

01475 27th Sep 2017 19:13


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 9905928)
Hardly

Pulling back on expansion to consolidate what they have.

It could be that...

... but lack of crew is a really bad reason for an airline expecting many new deliveries to be cancelling routes at a quiet time of year. It's the unholy trinity of problems that makes this slightly more serious than serious.

We're also getting an interesting insight into their operations, and into the market in general. Some of these routes may be where they have particularly most trouble recruiting pilots, but overall it's likely that they are their worst routes (and if you look at the recent Wizz cancellations then that figures).

They'll still be around obviously; there I completely agree. But whereas before they were just striding around announcing that they didn't mind the smell of anything anyone threw at them and that it probably wouldn't stick anyway; this time they are going to be left with a black eye and a limp.

But maybe they can negotiate for 14 free pilots with every 737 delivery?

Trav a la 27th Sep 2017 19:42

Sky News reporting that RA are facing enforcement action by the CAA.

Ryanair faces action by regulator for 'persistently misleading passengers'

Chidken Sangwich 27th Sep 2017 21:49

Must have had really poor booked forward loads if only 400,000 are claimed to be affected from the 3,402,000 seats being chopped with 18,000 cancellations = 11.75%.

Somehow I can't believe that...

Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.

inOban 27th Sep 2017 22:04

Because many of the seats on these routes are only booked near the time. Who books a flight to London months ahead?

EGAC is Better 27th Sep 2017 22:10


Originally Posted by Chidken Sangwich (Post 9906251)
Must have had really poor booked forward loads if only 400,000 are claimed to be affected from the 3,402,000 seats being chopped with 18,000 cancellations = 11.75%.

Somehow I can't believe that...

Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.

The same press release stated that cancelled flights would effect on average less than one flight per day....it's up to 5 at BFS. The spin is ridiculous and I hope somebody finds a way to throw the book at them.

All the nice bits of EU261 do not apply because there is more than two weeks notice.

owenc 27th Sep 2017 22:20

So, why have I been given 120's worth of vouchers? Does this mean that they are trying to avoid paying some sort of payout and should I be avoiding utilizing this?

mik3bravo 27th Sep 2017 23:28


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 9906268)
Because many of the seats on these routes are only booked near the time. Who books a flight to London months ahead?

Lucrative business class they've been gradually building since first launching it. They're cheaper compared to other business class tickets on BA or Aer Lingus, for example. A lot of corporate busines class tickets booked way ahead for planned meeting slots.

mik3bravo 27th Sep 2017 23:55

When FR sort this latest challenge out, do not be surprised if FR go full tilt into a series of aggressively cheap pricing to win back business from others. Nothing more dangerous than a wounded beast. FR have vast cash reserves to sustain very long price wars that will cause serious financial stresses for others. I think this FR rostering cluster flup will pass, but it's what FR do on the offensive which interests me now.

ericsson16 28th Sep 2017 04:16

GLA to STN Slots
 
So FR Fly three times a day GLA to STN,can someone else step in and use these slots ie easyjet or are these FR slots to use only?

WHBM 28th Sep 2017 06:50

Now the CAA action against Ryanair is 1st headline on BBC News

"Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator"

Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator - BBC News

Meanwhile the IAA poodle in Dublin still couldn't care less.

EGAC is Better 28th Sep 2017 07:12


Originally Posted by owenc (Post 9906284)
So, why have I been given 120's worth of vouchers? Does this mean that they are trying to avoid paying some sort of payout and should I be avoiding utilizing this?

Did you read the email? It's positioned as an "apology" but really is an attempt to encourage you to spend more money. I got 160 but its still not enough for us to go anywhere we'd like to go without paying more money.

southside bobby 28th Sep 2017 08:33

Rowly6339....Don`t worry...RYR in keeping with all large corporations will always keep their shareholders the happiest first...the dividend will be maintained & probably increased.Yes questions will be asked & behind the scenes the institutions will no doubt be hoppity but ho hum life goes on..

FQTLSteve 28th Sep 2017 08:35

Don't worry about Norwegian, used them several times very good, I'm sure you'll be flying with them again after your first trip.

111KAB 28th Sep 2017 08:51

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...r%20270917.pdf

mikkie4 28th Sep 2017 10:15

the new flights from LONDON SOUTHEND TO GLASGOW which starts at the end of oct could pick up some extra pax

Sober Lark 28th Sep 2017 10:44

"RYANAIR - Continent Cut Off" :rolleyes:

Most of the UK voted for BREXIT. Now which waves do Britania hope to rule in Europe? They want an a la carte separation, they desire EU laws for compensation, open skies etc etc. Membership has its benefits which won't apply in the not too distant future.

Theresa May and others are slow to negotiate and the divorce bill is mounting. In business if blocked you can't wait forever as on onlooker you just move on.

LAX_LHR 28th Sep 2017 10:48

Ah BREXIT,

Of course that's what's causing this Ryanair turmoil, and explains perfectly why only 7 of the 34 routes suspended (20%) either start or end in the UK, and 31 of the routes, (91%) have a start or end in a non UK country. Funny that....

It will be why Air Berlin is going under too.......

Skipness One Echo 28th Sep 2017 10:50


Now which waves do Britania hope to rule in Europe? They want an a la carte separation, they desire EU laws for compensation, open skies etc etc. Membership has its benefits which won't apply in the not too distant future.
Just wait til Ireland really gets the hang of being a net contributor for a few years :)


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