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ayroplain 21st Sep 2017 12:43


Originally Posted by 01475 (Post 9899138)
Imagine if they had a plane land at the wrong airport again;.

When did this happen before?

davidjohnson6 21st Sep 2017 12:52

BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | Plane lands at airbase by mistake

ayroplain 21st Sep 2017 13:10


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 9899254)

That was not a Ryanair aircraft or crew. Please stick to the facts.

davidjohnson6 21st Sep 2017 13:17

I grant you that it was operated by Eirjet rather than Ryanair but it was marketed solely by FR and was described in much of the press in the days after the incident occurred as being a Ryanair flight.

SpannerInTheWerks 21st Sep 2017 13:29

I just hope this situation isn't twisted around to make it look as though it is the pilots are being unreasonable.

A news item on the BBC last night mentioned the Thomson pilots' strike.

Now all seemed well until the newsreader mentioned a 10% pay rise, which equated on average to 10,000 per pilot. Two issues here at least:

1. With public sector workers being capped at 1%, a 10% pay rise for what many might consider a lucrative profession will be seen as extortionate (private company or not); and
2. Simple maths reveals an average salary of around 100k per pilot.

Today on the lunchtime news there was a Captain from an international pilot training organisation stating a shortage of pilots and the fact that the profession isn't as attractive as it used to be.

However, the newsreader asked if this situation with Ryanair wasn't an opportunity for pilots to seek better pay and conditions on the back of the Ryanair debacle ... ?

Not too difficult to mix these various news reports up to make it look as though greedy, selfish, over-paid, under worked pilots are the real cause of the problem - with the pilot holiday situation making it impossible for a responsible, customer-focussed airline such as Ryanair to fulfil its commitments to its passengers.

I hope the situation has gone beyond that and the public realise that the fault lies fairly and squarely with MOL and his 'management' team.

It would be a shame if the reputation of pilots was tarnished by the perception of a strong union (BALPA) forcing pay deals on the airlines at the expense of the passengers.

fireflybob 21st Sep 2017 13:47


was described in much of the press in the days after the incident occurred as being a Ryanair flight.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

daz211 21st Sep 2017 14:49

Looks like MOL has is boxing glove on := from the guardian

The Ryanair chief executive, Michael O’Leary, has escalated the airline’s dispute with pilots, saying they do not have a “difficult job” and claiming he can force them to give up a week of leave.

supermarine 21st Sep 2017 14:56

Mr O'Leary is looking as haggard as I have ever seen him.

So glad even teflon coated executives can have issues.

Plenty of mileage and management left on this.

ayroplain 21st Sep 2017 15:12


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 9899285)
I grant you that it was operated by Eirjet rather than Ryanair but it was marketed solely by FR and was described in much of the press in the days after the incident occurred as being a Ryanair flight.

So, a poster here on PPrune perpetuated a falsehood by giving the impression that a Ryanair crew had previously landed at the wrong airport and should it happen again.......? The likes of the Daily Mail would easily pick that up and make a story for its gullible readers to spread around even further. I would have expected more from contributors to this Forum.

ESCNI 21st Sep 2017 15:17

Does the Guardian qualify as the likes of the Daily Mail?

...also noticed this item from the Daily Telegraph.

ayroplain 21st Sep 2017 16:00

OK, you've proved your point that the Guardian and the DT can also print falsehoods. Thanks for that.

SWBKCB 21st Sep 2017 16:28

Have I lost the plot - both reports look accurate, if a bit mocking in tone?

Anyway, back to Ryanair...

vkid 21st Sep 2017 16:40

They must be trying to get hours in for new pilots anyway..watching two ryanair planes flying around shannon all day today. Rarely see them training in shannon.

WHBM 21st Sep 2017 16:51


Originally Posted by ayroplain (Post 9899435)
So, a poster here on PPrune perpetuated a falsehood by giving the impression that a Ryanair crew had previously landed at the wrong airport

Not a falsehood. It was a Ryanair flight, with a Ryanair flight number, operating a Ryanair scheduled flight, which everyone on board had booked on the Ryanair website, paid their money to Ryanair (the key point), etc, etc.

If Ryanair choose to put their flights out to an ACMI provider, it's still their flight.

If it comes to that, most Ryanair flights don't have a Ryanair crew either; they have self-employed crew supplied through an agency.

Cazalet33 21st Sep 2017 17:09


If it comes to that, most Ryanair flights don't have a Ryanair crew either; they have self-employed crew supplied through an agency.
If cheapocheapo sell them themselves short, they really shouldn't bitch that they're underpaid or overworked.

DublinPole 21st Sep 2017 17:24

Some of the made up stories in the press are kind of desperate.

As is the Daily Mail clearly having some gripe with Kenny Jacobs.

01475 21st Sep 2017 18:56


Originally Posted by ayroplain (Post 9899435)
So, a poster here on PPrune perpetuated a falsehood by giving the impression that a Ryanair crew had previously landed at the wrong airport and should it happen again.......? The likes of the Daily Mail would easily pick that up and make a story for its gullible readers to spread around even further. I would have expected more from contributors to this Forum.

Try telling that to the people on it! They booked their flights on Ryanair.com; it was Ryanair's flight. (In exactly the same way as the Carpatair incident at Rome was Alitalia's flight no matter how much white paint they had to hand!)

The reputation of an airline is vulnerable and Ryanair's is on the line. If it suffers further damage then no sentences including the words "wet lease" or "not actually an employee; self employed through an agency" would help them!!!

DublinPole 21st Sep 2017 18:59

Word on the street that Ryanair's lawyers are going to start proceedings against some of the media and the press in the upcoming days for some of the ridicolous things that have been printed in the media, the fabrications and the outright lies.

There's been people claiming they were treated badly and had their flights cancelled between airports that Ryanair don't serve, photos claiming to show things on Ryanair aircraft which are not even 737s just to mention a few things.

racedo 21st Sep 2017 19:01


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 9899285)
I grant you that it was operated by Eirjet rather than Ryanair but it was marketed solely by FR and was described in much of the press in the days after the incident occurred as being a Ryanair flight.

An 11 1/5 year old story that you dredge up...................... DJ you need to do better.

01475 21st Sep 2017 19:04


Originally Posted by DublinPole (Post 9899679)
Word on the street that Ryanair's lawyers are going to start proceedings against some of the media and the press in the upcoming days for some of the ridicolous things that have been printed in the media, the fabrications and the outright lies.

There's been people claiming they were treated badly and had their flights cancelled between airports that Ryanair don't serve, photos claiming to show things on Ryanair aircraft which are not even 737s just to mention a few things.

Well this may be the time to get abrasive and that may work...

... or it will turn out that the story was 50% correct and up to 40% unverifiable, and the blood-letting will continue.

I know they think there's no such thing as bad publicity, but Gerald Ratner knows that if you get things wrong there can be!


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