SOU-MAN . The published schedule shows twice daily Mon-Fri on the ATR.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant. All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly? Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights. |
Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
(Post 10878619)
SOU-MAN . The published schedule shows twice daily Mon-Fri on the ATR.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant. All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly? Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights. A bumpy ride ahead for SOU for sure! |
Fortunately or unfortunately which ever way your viewpoint is, the J41 is Easterns only hope of culling operating losses on thin routes being operated which accounts for pretty much all of them. As the ATRs are leased I’m guessing there will be an operating charge per hour, so keeping them on the ground is the cheapest way of doing things.
Pretty dire in the grand scheme of things to have a leased asset sitting on the ground doing nothing, but is the lesser of two evils. As for their jet fleet, well, least said the better I think. Tough times ahead. |
Originally Posted by RW20
(Post 10878650)
Can't see that this improving much,certainly no increase on the horizon and certainly no other airlines ( like blue island) taking a stab at it.
A bumpy ride ahead for SOU for sure! Agreed, tough times. |
In the SOU case, MAN was planned to be double daily on the ATR, but the demand just hasn't been there. Average loads are increasing but at a fairly slow rate. The Jetstream has been used more often than not, with some flights on the ATR. As a result it's planned as one daily flight for the rest of September.
Belfast is going double daily on the ATR from the 14th September as demand on that route is much higher and the use of an ATR is justified as they're carrying more pax than a Jetstream could hold. I think it's been a case of having a plan and adjusting it to fit with the realities of the market right now. As SWBKCB says it's a mess everywhere. |
SOU-MAN . The published schedule shows twice daily Mon-Fri on the ATR. However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant. J41's on the NCL and LBA flights at the moment. MME due to start next week. DUB was due to start also but appears to be getting pushed back? |
I think some publicity wouldn't be amiss on the MAN-SOU. The 3 x daily Flybe Dash 8s had good loads.
Domestic travel is increasing & the train from Manchester to Southhampton is the best part of 4 hours & first class fares are eye watering. I've made a few train trips and they are pretty full. The Eastern fares are almost half the Cross Country First fares & I'm sure people would prefer 45 minutes in a tube as opposed to 4 hours on train. Trouble is in my area very few people are aware of Eastern, it's not really a know name in the Manchester area. However, it does need to be double daily ( which it is, only 2 days week) |
Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
(Post 10878839)
I think some publicity wouldn't be amiss on the MAN-SOU. The 3 x daily Flybe Dash 8s had good loads.
Domestic travel is increasing & the train from Manchester to Southhampton is the best part of 4 hours & first class fares are eye watering. I've made a few train trips and they are pretty full. The Eastern fares are almost half the Cross Country First fares & I'm sure people would prefer 45 minutes in a tube as opposed to 4 hours on train. Trouble is in my area very few people are aware of Eastern, it's not really a know name in the Manchester area. However, it does need to be double daily ( which it is, only 2 days week) Although you could argue that the Flybe flights had good loads before Covid and many of the business travellers and people feeding onto long haul ex MAN aren't travelling right now. |
Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
(Post 10878845)
Totally agree with this. Of all the airlines that have replaced Flybe on routes from SOU, Eastern are probably the least well known and recognisable. Apart from their twitter account I haven't seen much if any marketing for their new routes.
Although you could argue that the Flybe flights had good loads before Covid and many of the business travellers and people feeding onto long haul ex MAN aren't travelling right now. It is good to see that BHD is doing well for them though, hopefully this will continue. I wonder if NCL is paying it's way being on a J41 once a day where Loganair have now grown to 2x daily ER3/4 on weekdays? Finally, I expect the Irish border restrictions and quarantine is the reason for DUB being pushed back to October. That is another route they'll be competing with Blue Islands on, although if there is demand for it Eastern's current planned 12 weekly morning and evening schedule is a lot more attractive than the 4 weekly lunchtime flights from the competition. |
Manchester Airport has had a couple of tweets advertising & welcoming Blue Island to the MAN-Exeter route, but I cannot see any similar tweets from MAG about Eastern to SOU. To be honest I only found out Eastern were operating the route by chance. If there was a choice between the Blue Island ATR or the Eastern J41, I'd be booking the Blue Island.
I see Blue Island is open for bookings MAN-SOU twice daily from October 25th on the ATR with fares half that of Eastern. It's a bit disappointing given EZE has had a head start to get the service established. |
Looks like todays EZE flights from MME and LBA firstly got consolidated onto an MME-originating Saab, then diverted to EXT.
Anyone shed any light on what's gone on? |
Originally Posted by Wycombe
(Post 10881635)
Looks like todays EZE flights from MME and LBA firstly got consolidated onto an MME-originating Saab, then diverted to EXT.
Anyone shed any light on what's gone on? |
Originally Posted by Wycombe
(Post 10881635)
Looks like todays EZE flights from MME and LBA firstly got consolidated onto an MME-originating Saab, then diverted to EXT.
Anyone shed any light on what's gone on? |
Newquay; which was fogbound.
It should be noted that their performance at MME since the relaunch back in February has been *almost* faultless. |
Newquay; which was fogbound. METARs didn't look too bad to me, but I know that part of the world quite well and the Cornish mizzle can be very localised and come and go quickly. |
Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
(Post 10878845)
many of the business travellers and people feeding onto long haul ex MAN aren't travelling right now.
Basic economic rule of supply and demand. Ttfn |
How are Eastern doing? many passengers? Heard they're offering pilots unpaid leave for an indefinite period of time or redundancy?
I'd be surprised if they're not haemorraging cash. |
Eastern Teesside doing ok...propped up by the mayor and his transport infrastructure money!
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When was the last time a J41 flew into LHR? I see the Saab deputised for the Embraer on Friday?
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My MAN-SOU J41 trip the other day turned out to be an ATR via BHD. With no cabin service, meaning arriving SOU 3 hours late with nothing to eat/drink On board & everything at Southampton airport is closed. For me my day ended 6 hours with nothing to drink. Be warned if using Eastern or Southampton Airport bring your own stuff.
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Originally Posted by HKGBOY
(Post 10889241)
My MAN-SOU J41 trip the other day turned out to be an ATR via BHD. With no cabin service, meaning arriving SOU 3 hours late with nothing to eat/drink On board & everything at Southampton airport is closed. For me my day ended 6 hours with nothing to drink. Be warned if using Eastern or Southampton Airport bring your own stuff.
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 10889310)
Wow. BHD isn’t even on route. They will end up killing these routes operating like that. Why would you fly with them again? Did they give a reason why?
The old Pprune double edged sword is out again, with every other thread having comments along the lines of "what are the airlines doing, they are ruining the economy by not operating business friendly flights". |
In his statement, signed off on August 6, Mr Lake said: “Aviation faces an uncertain future, with what could be a longer term travel freeze and the risks of a slow recovery. Orient . . . is undertaking significant measures internally to preserve cash and liquidity, as well as operational efficiency and cost savings.” He highlighted the group’s “good mix” of business activities, “substantial” cash balance, “unencumbered” aircraft and no debt refinancings due, while talks were taking place with lenders “who recognise our strength of balance sheet and business model”. But auditor John Taheny, of accountancy firm Bissel & Brown, said Mr Lake’s confident outlook had assumed a phased increase in bookings and flights after August. The potential for further disruption due to Covid-19 meant there was a “material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt about the group’s ability to continue as a going concern”, Mr Taheny added. |
Having Ejets/ ERJs sitting about not earning any revenue though is of concern as they’re leased. |
Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
(Post 10890108)
Lake can only boast about his cash reserves as he keeps operating clapped out old turboprops
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When you think about it, having on-book smaller props running right now is actually a stroke of luck and genius versus others carrying ongoing costs with larger aircraft.
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I See that the E190 was flown from HUY to MST yesterday Evening.
And the ATR 72- 600 was flown on Wednesday from SOU to MME and is being used on the MME - LHR flights |
It looks like one of the Embraer 135s is on the way back to the UK, heading north out of Nigeria via Spain at the moment. Is this for maintenance or has the Bristow thing in Nigeria all come to a dead stop?
Seems a bit strange that the 170 has sat in MME for several days with the ATR drafted in from Southampton to cover the Heathrow flights the 170 would normally be doing. Must be a fairly big issue if it's tech as the DTV Movements site suggests. |
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...xuTkhYnqz07X_A
We shall also shortly add a number of interline agreements especially aiding our Teesside-London Heathrow service and major hubs such as Manchester Int'l," it said. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 10901295)
It looks like one of the Embraer 135s is on the way back to the UK, heading north out of Nigeria via Spain at the moment. Is this for maintenance or has the Bristow thing in Nigeria all come to a dead stop?
Seems a bit strange that the 170 has sat in MME for several days with the ATR drafted in from Southampton to cover the Heathrow flights the 170 would normally be doing. Must be a fairly big issue if it's tech as the DTV Movements site suggests. |
The ATR is on its way back to SOU at the moment under a positioning callsign.
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Originally Posted by allan1987
(Post 10901058)
I See that the E190 was flown from HUY to MST yesterday Evening.
And the ATR 72- 600 was flown on Wednesday from SOU to MME and is being used on the MME - LHR flights The E190 went to Maastricht for maintenance input at SAMCO |
The 170 hasn't flown since 1 October. The S.2000 had been doing the LHR until the Atr-72 was drafted in for the last couple of days.
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Looking at what is on sale for April 2021 (not the timetable section), the based aircraft situation appears to be:
CWL - 1x J41 HUY - 1x J41 LBA - 2x J41 MME - 2x J41, 1x E70 (LHR) SOU - 3x ATR (BHD/DUB/MAN) The timetable has gaps all over the place and fleet utilisation is very low. Most days there's an early LBA - SOU, but no return on sale, similarly a SOU-MME-ABZ but no flights starting ABZ the next day. Obviously very much a work in progress and all subject to covid restrictions and demand, but plenty of scope for Eastern to expand if they wanted to be a serious player in the regional game. |
Is G-CIHD J41 being made airworthy.
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Eastern Airways are ripping up the schedule again due to England's lockdown 2
Flights operating HUY–ABZ = 5x weekly MON, TUE, WED, THU & FRI BAe Jetstream 41 SOU-BHD = 5x weekly on MON, TUE, THU, FRI & SUN BAe Jetstream 41 MME-ABZ = 5x weekly MON, TUE, WED, THU & FRI Embraer 145 MME-BHD = 2x weekly MON & FRI BAe Jetstream 41 Suspended until December 7th 2020 LBA–NQY MAN-NQY MAN-SOU MME-SOU MME-LHR MME-NQY Suspended until January 4th 2021 LBA–SOU CWL-VLY SOU-DUB Suspended until February 8th 2021 MME-DUB Route launches January 11th 2021 CWL-BHD |
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