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Just re-watching Raab on the BBC's Marr this morning replayed by Sky News and he seemed to imply that were TCX to fail, there'd be a difference in the treatment between ATOL protected (package) and non-ATOL (flight only) customers, and he said the govt "had learned lessons" from the Monarch experience. This might mean that non-ATOL protected customers would have to find their own way home and claim on travel insurance. With the Monarch collapse the travel insurers got off lightly in terms of repatriation costs as the govt paid for non-ATOL repatriates - perhaps it's a case of once bitten twice shy (govt is still chasing the Monarch repatriation costs from their creditors (Greybull) I believe).
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I was heavily involved with our new STN and BHX bases, an integral part of our product is to give package holiday makers free baggage allowance of 23kg, you would be amazed how many customers came over to us from airlines that started charging for baggage, what I’m saying is there is a big gap in the marked for a “Premium Charter Airline” where you get everything but you also pay for it in the ticket price, There is always two ends to a piece of string, not everyone has a tight budget. remeber Britannia Royal class it had a reputation or class within the carter world and that’s what’s now missing from the current offering, people will pay more even if they only get a Gold luggage name tag for their bag and a gold sign above check in I would go as far as say it’s a class thing with a stereotypical passenger like mrs Bucket. |
Sleepless night for all involved I think. When can we expect an announcement to come?
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Gatwick slots have a huge value, recently Norwegian raised $380m as as part of an exchange package to delay repayment of unsecured bonds. The UK arm of Thomas Cook clearly has some value, as I believe that 9, possibly more airframes are Gatwick based?
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daz211....I hear what you're saying but I think the size of market is very small. GB airways and Monarch both offered exactly what you say but as time went on and Easyjet/Ryan et al became bigger and bigger the price differential that they were able to command over them became smaller and smaller. At the end of the day price is king to the consumer despite what they may say. What they do is vote with their wallets.
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Originally Posted by 750XL
(Post 10576370)
Sleepless night for all involved I think. When can we expect an announcement to come?
Just arrived in the crewroom for DLM tonight and everything seems to be going as planned, flight crew seem confident we will depart. |
Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10576384)
According to somebody in crewing, between 0300/0430 is when all aircraft are back in the U.K./Enroute back so I imagine between those times. Just arrived in the crewroom for DLM tonight and everything seems to be going as planned, flight crew seem confident we will depart. |
Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 10576381)
daz211....I hear what you're saying but I think the size of market is very small. GB airways and Monarch both offered exactly what you say but as time went on and Easyjet/Ryan et al became bigger and bigger the price differential that they were able to command over them became smaller and smaller. At the end of the day price is king to the consumer despite what they may say. What they do is vote with their wallets.
Thomas cook need something new and something exiting to bring to the market, just following the market leaders just won’t cut it. Massive change is needed if they get a chance to carry on. |
The Long Haul Aircraft won't be back in the UK until 6.00 at the earliest, but will of course be en-route
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Originally Posted by AlanSinfield
(Post 10576393)
The Long Haul Aircraft won't be back in the UK until 6.00 at the earliest, but will of course be en-route
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I’m feeling so much for each and everyone of you employees. The press are hell bent on telling us how it affects Kev and Tracy’s Magaluf holiday . But we professionals know it’s families that will suffer. This isn’t a sales pitch , but my employer will be glad to hear from you. PM me and i’ll gladly pass on to the best person should the worst happen. |
Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10576396)
I believe the Dalaman that @USERNAME_ is flying on is actually the last back, at 7am local. So an announcement between 3/4:30 would sound about right as they will all be on their way home. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, if the Dalaman departs then it’s a good sign as if you think back 2 years, Monarch cancelled all of the night flights last minute. |
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10576396)
I believe the Dalaman that @USERNAME_ is flying on is actually the last back, at 7am local. So an announcement between 3/4:30 would sound about right as they will all be on their way home. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, if the Dalaman departs then it’s a good sign as if you think back 2 years, Monarch cancelled all of the night flights last minute. |
I know that the Jet2 TR courses starting from Jan 2020 are mostly wide open and they are running two to three a month that time of the year, (both fleets) scant consolation I know but for those desperate for a UK base it is a good option, particularly for FOs. We have quite a few very happy ex Monarch here at the moment. Best of luck to all involved.
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Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 10576369)
what I’m saying is there is a big gap in the marked for a “Premium Charter Airline” where you get everything but you also pay for it in the ticket price, There is always two ends to a piece of string, not everyone has a tight budget. Also the key London market is covered in that respect by BA, with extensive leisure route network from LGW which offers Club Europe along with some routes at LHR, LCY and the weekend STN mentioned above. |
Originally Posted by 33percentlonger
(Post 10576406)
I assume this is the LGW flight? This is now showing a departure tomorrow at 17.30 according to the TCX and LGW websites.
see usernames post above. Hate to see it it end this way. |
The Long Haul Flights into Manchester are due to arrive as follows
Las Vegas 07:50 Cancun 07:10 Orlando 07:35 Orlando 08:35 New York 09:55 and Gatwick Cayo Coco 06:20 and Glasgow Orlando 06:10 |
Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10576410)
see usernames post above. Hate to see it it end this way. |
So sorry Username....for you and all your colleagues �� Thinking of you all xx |
Username I really feel for you, your not having much luck lately, stay strong and hope you find your way into a long term secure job that you love. |
Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10576405)
Cancel my last. We’ve been stood down. Looks like it’s game over gents. Absolutely heartbroken. |
No official word yet :ugh: |
Originally Posted by AlanSinfield
(Post 10576413)
The Long Haul Flights into Manchester are due to arrive as follows
Las Vegas 07:50 Cancun 07:10 Orlando 07:35 Orlando 08:35 New York 09:55 and Gatwick Cayo Coco 06:20 and Glasgow Orlando 06:10 |
Cancel my last. We’ve been stood down. Looks like it’s game over gents. Absolutely heartbroken. As I said further up the thread, “this is going to hurt”. The next few days will be tough. Tomorrow have a look & see if any of the advice I posted can be of any use. For now, crack open the bar trolley, grab a handful of DF’s and remember the good times & great people. Better some booze goes missing than it goes to the b@stards & vultures that take so much and give nothing back. |
Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10576405)
Cancel my last. We’ve been stood down. Looks like it’s game over gents. Absolutely heartbroken. as our highest seniority captain said on the last Airberlin flight: Over and out, Have a better one! |
Beware
You all know this, of course, but be aware that given the situation even PPRUNE is being monitored tonight... UserName https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bf8b0616e8.png |
Alex macheras via twitter. BREAKING: Thomas Cook, the world’s oldest travel company operating hotels, airlines, cruises & resorts, has ceased business operations. • Suppliers are being informed that #ThomasCook has ceased business operations • Airlines (including wet-lease specialists) have been given go-ahead to position to UK for rescue flights which will bring stranded passengers back to the UK, known as Operation Matterhorn |
USERNAME_ I see your DLM being delayed for lack of crew. (DL64) Someone called in unfit?
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I think more than 1 poster on here is media digging for insider info
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10576424)
will these definitely depart? Because most of these will be departing in the next couple of hours. |
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Originally Posted by newfoundglory
(Post 10576438)
Presumably they will wait until they are all in the air and heading towards the UK before pulling the plug?
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Sending love to all staff, Username I really feel for you as somebody else posted think of the good times and crack open a bar if you can xx
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10576439)
Thank you all for your kind words. Will have a clearer head tomorrow hopefully. To clear this up, the captain asked crewing if we could be guaranteed to get home if we entered administration down route, they couldn’t, and so he stood us down and not the company. |
Alex Macheras is saying that the group has ceased operations, confirm?
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10576439)
Thank you all for your kind words. Will have a clearer head tomorrow hopefully. To clear this up, the captain asked crewing if we could be guaranteed to get home if we entered administration down route, they couldn’t, and so he stood us down and not the company. |
All TC airlines are operating, as of now.
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Alex Macheras says a lot of things.....it'll be made public if it happens not when an uber-geek says so
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MT107 just departed AYT for STN |
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