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nowhereasfiled 7th Feb 2019 19:50

Perhaps IAG might be interested in buying out Thomas Cook UK to expand LEVEL. They operate the same fleet after all and would give them instant expansion with access to aircraft, slots and crews.

hec7or 7th Feb 2019 19:56


the airline is what has kept the company afloat over the past year,
Since the airline is only operating IT for Thomas Cook, how is it keeping the company afloat?

SealinkBF 7th Feb 2019 20:14


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10382751)


Pardon my ignorance, but would this be good or bad for the airline? Immediately strikes me as negative.

Virgin. TCX are a thorn in their Manchester operations.

Cazza_fly 8th Feb 2019 00:23


Originally Posted by hec7or (Post 10383468)
Since the airline is only operating IT for Thomas Cook, how is it keeping the company afloat?

It operates long-haul scheduled services, flight-only sales on short-haul flights and charter flights for other clients too. There's a lot more to it than IT flights for Thomas Cook group. As for it keeping everything afloat, well i couldn't comment on that, but they've certainly not been doing bad.

pholling 8th Feb 2019 09:32


Originally Posted by hec7or (Post 10383468)
Since the airline is only operating IT for Thomas Cook, how is it keeping the company afloat?

As mentioned by others the airline(s) is/are profitable but not highly so. This means that their profit alone isn't enough for TC to pay its current debts and fund additional capital investment. The issue with selling the airline is that to be worth more to someone else it will either take efficiencies on the ops side or revenue enhancements. TC are currently stipulating a lot of future seat availability on specific routes and probably at specific prices. This significantly reduces the NPV of the airline to potential suitors. As for the purchase of new aircraft. This should be no problem for the airline itself, it would be the overall group's finances that would be the issue.

USERNAME_ 8th Feb 2019 13:23

Lufthansa are reportedly interested...

(in German).
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtscha...ansa-1.4320431

monarchnew 8th Feb 2019 13:33


Originally Posted by hec7or (Post 10383468)
Since the airline is only operating IT for Thomas Cook, how is it keeping the company afloat?

I believe only 55% of the airline capacity is now from the tour operator in the UK. And its even less in Germany with Condor. So whilst its still just over half of its UK capacity being filled by the tour operator, the airline is generating plenty of business themselves. Times have certainly changed between the airline and tour operator, they no longer solely rely on each other as they once did.

nowhereasfiled 8th Feb 2019 14:15


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10384199)
Lufthansa are reportedly interested...

Interesting, might we see Thomas Cook become Eurowings?

8674planes 8th Feb 2019 15:03

Lufthansa will only be interested in the Condor long haul slots rather than the aircraft themselves. If a sale of Condor does occur. I'd expect the 767's to be turned into Freighters.

Cazza_fly 8th Feb 2019 15:10


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10384253)

Interesting, might we see Thomas Cook become Eurowings?

I'd say we'd most likely see the same Thomas Cook / Condor brands and operation continuing as we do today? Obviously some efficiencies would be able to be made as well as the option for more interlining and connecting flight possibilities. Longhaul flights in Germany outside of the leisure ops would probably be suited under the Eurowings brand, retaining Condor once again primarily for the IT and leisure market.

Jonty 8th Feb 2019 17:41


Originally Posted by 8674planes (Post 10384301)
Lufthansa will only be interested in the Condor long haul slots rather than the aircraft themselves. If a sale of Condor does occur. I'd expect the 767's to be turned into Freighters.

Thats going to happen wether the airline is sold or not. Plans for the fleet replacement are well advanced.

FFMAN 9th Feb 2019 10:16

Classic Pprune at work here, 'Strategic Review' gets translated by all the armchair experts into a 'sale'; 'they're making a loss' and all sorts of other made up nonsense presented as fact.
TCX is a profitable airline. Proves what I have thought for a while....that the majority of posters on Pprune don't know what they're talking about It's not about rumours any more - just guesswork, speculation and idle gossip


the well regarded Condor name
Well the name is well regarded by some Germans for somewhat dubious Germanic historical reasons - the airline product however is crap. Having recently flown long haul with them ex FRA on a 767 and having experienced TCX A330s - you would go for the latter every time

SWBKCB 9th Feb 2019 11:04


Classic PPRuNe at work here, 'Strategic Review' gets translated by all the armchair experts into a 'sale';
To be fair, the business pages of today's Times discusses Thomas Cook and references the sale of the airline in two seperate articles.

southside bobby 9th Feb 2019 14:13

FFMAN...

Hardly & with this week the Thomas Cook CEO noting the airline division has "great" airport slots inc FRA/MUC/MAN & LGW that has more the appearance of a beauty parade.

He also stated they are considering all options when it comes to divestment of individual airline units but could not divulge any more.

So hardly speculation on here...Other worthies reporting the "news" includes The Daily Mail...Daily Star...Mirror... & Reuters.

Actual stats for Thomas Cook last year are elsewhere recorded as operating profit increased to £129m based on revenue of £3.5b & more than 20m pax carried in 2018.

nowhereasfiled 13th Feb 2019 21:17

G-TCDX operating EXT-KRK-EXT ‘day trip’ today. Anybody know why?
Can’t think of any sporting events which might require this particular charter

Down Three Greens 14th Feb 2019 03:14


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10389172)
G-TCDX operating EXT-KRK-EXT ‘day trip’ today. Anybody know why?
Can’t think of any sporting events which might require this particular charter

There might be a somber reason for exploring the history around there. It’s a regular sub charter.

yeo valley 14th Feb 2019 05:20

My money is on Newmarket. They do lots of day trips to cities around Europe from many UK airports.

LiamNCL 14th Feb 2019 07:15

Not uncommon to see Thomas Cook or Jet2 operating charters to KRK during the winter season.

OltonPete 14th Feb 2019 10:11

Krakow
 

Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10389172)
G-TCDX operating EXT-KRK-EXT ‘day trip’ today. Anybody know why?
Can’t think of any sporting events which might require this particular charter

Often in Feb and March day trips are older school children on awareness/history trips to the concentration camps and I have been told that these are often part-funded by Jewish charities.

Pete

southside bobby 15th Feb 2019 15:41

Thomas Cook enlisting the help of Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley & Bank of America Merrill Lynch to explore the sale of its airline business according to Reuters.

USERNAME_ 15th Feb 2019 15:57


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10390962)
Thomas Cook enlisting the help of Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley & Bank of America Merrill Lynch to explore the sale of its airline business according to Reuters.

Some high profile names. Probably cost them as much as the airline is worth to get them onboard. I’m sure Thomas Cook will be just fine :cool:

mark1484 9th Mar 2019 06:55

A330-300 MAN
 
Does anybody know which A330-300 will be operating out of Manchester this summer? They had a HiFly leased for summer 2018, will it be the same again or one of the Scandinavian fleet?

SJL26779 9th Mar 2019 12:14


Originally Posted by mark1484 (Post 10411175)
Does anybody know which A330-300 will be operating out of Manchester this summer? They had a HiFly leased for summer 2018, will it be the same again or one of the Scandinavian fleet?

Will be the TCX Scandinavian unit which does part of the week ex GLA for the LH programme

mark1484 9th Mar 2019 12:35


Originally Posted by SJL26779 (Post 10411425)
Will be the TCX Scandinavian unit which does part of the week ex GLA for the LH programme

Many Thanks

VickersVicount 14th Mar 2019 22:21


Originally Posted by SJL26779 (Post 10411425)
Will be the TCX Scandinavian unit which does part of the week ex GLA for the LH programme

Interesting to see long haul ex GLA after this summer has been axed. Retreat to MAN (and maybe LGW). So much for the new SkyCouch!

HH6702 14th Mar 2019 23:58

Newcastle 2020
 
Big changes and a few routes dropped for next summer

NormanDLandings 15th Mar 2019 03:55


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10418862)

Interesting to see long haul ex GLA after this summer has been axed. Retreat to MAN (and maybe LGW). So much for the new SkyCouch!

It hasn’t - just not released yet I believe.

BHX5DME 15th Mar 2019 07:09

https://www.thomascookairlines.com/e...able_S2020.pdf

rog747 15th Mar 2019 07:39


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 10419144)

Thanks for that - Does MT/TCK/DE no longer have any flights from EXT?

Or have they gone to other 3rd party airlines?

Bearpit 15th Mar 2019 07:57

STN???
 
Doesn't seem to be any holidays on sale for Stansted - everywhere else is on. Anybody know the score???

pamann 15th Mar 2019 08:39


Originally Posted by Bearpit (Post 10419178)
Doesn't seem to be any holidays on sale for Stansted - everywhere else is on. Anybody know the score???

Stansted is showing on the MT timetable for S20. They operate a sizeable operation to Turkey from there which seems to be their bread and butter with daily flights. Does seem a bit odd but it’s still very much early days for S20.

AFA 15th Mar 2019 16:33

Do they/will they still fly to CPT?

rog747 15th Mar 2019 17:05

CPT seasonal only (Like Virgin used to be) it finishes before Easter

USERNAME_ 16th Mar 2019 11:29

Spotted yet another very strange one-off flight last night, G-TCVC operated MAN-SCQ-MAN, at 2000 last night, spent 40 minutes on the ground before returning as MT4821.

Spudder 16th Mar 2019 11:47

It was sent to rescue and recrew G-TCCI that diverted into SCQ on its FRA-VRA trip. Seems to be tech as its still on the ground...

caaardiff 18th Mar 2019 16:18

New Sleeper Seat service
https://www.thomascookgroup.com/news...-seat?ref=Home


VickersVicount 18th Mar 2019 17:49

Did that sleeper seat not go down like a lead balloon with ANZ? How does three seats for £200 affect cabin profitibaility and margins on plus premier cabin?!

BA318 23rd Mar 2019 18:53

The Russian Embassy has tweeted that Thomas Cook is to merge with Russian tour operator Globus (which I think is related to S7)


Flightrider 23rd Mar 2019 18:55

That’s a new twist - fake news comes to the aviation industry?

fanrailuk 23rd Mar 2019 19:26

Definitely a misunderstanding of internal business dealings by the Russian embassy, a quote from the FT reads:

”Thomas Cook said on Friday it would acquire a stake in the tour operating business of Russia’s Biblio Globus through a joint venture with Ionic Invest. The deal will see Thomas Cook spend $3m for a 30 per cent stake in one of the largest tour operators in Russia.”


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