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Dreamliner_01 11th Jul 2018 18:20

Good analysis and shows that both airports can sustain similar services and Galway aside serve largely different catchment areas - interesting to see if ORK-BRS been impacted by the new SNN service

AerRyan 12th Jul 2018 11:58

Expectations for the coming winter season is actually some growth, but rather minor. Expect an average of 1%.

These are the quiet months, while the summer services are in full swing announcements and tumours disappear. Nice to see the airport busy however.

840 12th Jul 2018 13:16

I don't know if SNN-BRS will have had much of an impact on ORK-BRS.

It's now easier to get to DUB from Cork or Limerick than it is to get to SNN or ORK respectively considering the frequency of bus services and the much better roads to Dublin (and especially because there's no easy way to bypass Cork on the way from Limerick to Cork Airport).

Catchment competition between the two airports is largely confined to North Cork and Kerry nowadays.

From 2016 to 2017, there was growth of 27K passengers on DUB-BRS, so it won't be possible to tell any impact from SNN-BRS from general slowdown on UK growth in Dublin. The numbers will just get lost.

vkid 12th Jul 2018 13:16


Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01 (Post 10193789)
If those load factors don’t improve dramatically on Bristol and Liverpool they certainly won’t last long - think Bristol is sustainable but Liverpool was always a challenge given capacity on Manchester and a well established service up the road in Knock - probably shows why they haven’t extended them for winter


Think the biggest problem with Liverpool is the timings. No use to most people. Who wants to get there at 23.20 on a Saturday evening and come home Monday or Wednesday,
Makes no sense. You might do it with the same times on a Friday

Dreamliner_01 12th Jul 2018 18:28

Agree totally the traffic in knock from my limited use of the service during winter was heavily football based as timings are good on both Friday and Saturday - the Shannon timing won’t cater for little if any football traffic between August and October

owenc 17th Jul 2018 16:57

What’s up with the agusta westland 139 that has flown from snn to new jersey in 7 hours?

Surely this is a glitch?

snn20 20th Jul 2018 11:34

Norwegian S19
SNN-SWF 5x weekly
SNN-PVD remains at 4x weekly

vkid 20th Jul 2018 13:19


Originally Posted by snn20 (Post 10201450)
Norwegian S19
SNN-SWF 5x weekly
SNN-PVD remains at 4x weekly


Good boost in seats. Hope the winter season work well.

AerRyan 25th Jul 2018 14:24

Won't be for another few months, generally route announcements are around late September- November.

snn20 30th Jul 2018 18:17

Provisional CAA stats for June are out

2017 2018 %

London LHR - 24,206 24,162 0
London STN - -------- ------- - (provisional)
London LGW - --------- -------- - (provisional)
Manchester - 5,839 6,983 +20
Birmingham - 3,281 3,008 -8
Edinburgh - 2,826 2,888 +2
Bristol - -------- --------- -
Liverpool - ------- 2,273 NEW

LPL was new for June 2018, 26 flights operated with 4,914 seats on offer. This would represent a LF of 46.3%(not surprising given flight times, cant see this route returning next year unless flight times are changed) . MAN was upped to 6x weekly with 9,450 seats for June representing a LF of 73.9%

snn20 29th Aug 2018 18:06

CAA UK stats for July are out (provisional)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...06483838d3.png

Dreamliner_01 30th Aug 2018 22:54

Poor loads for Liverpool in the second busiest month of the year 64% load factor - Bristol faired better 79% which is good considering the days of the week it operating

AerRyan 7th Sep 2018 22:57

Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.

cloudier 12th Sep 2018 19:36


Originally Posted by AerRyan (Post 10243921)
Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.

with Dublin using another B757 will this affect SNN operation?

EISNN 12th Sep 2018 20:17

No. PHL is gauging up to an A330 so two b757 remain in SNN and two remain in DUB. Deliveries of A321NEO LR delayed until July/August when YUL route commences.

bannercounty 12th Sep 2018 20:58


Originally Posted by AerRyan (Post 10243921)
Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.

Made the shortlist for #Wordlroutesawards. Time to break out the champagne😩

Northoltway 17th Sep 2018 08:47

Malaga and Faro dropped for Summer 19 it appears

Northoltway 17th Sep 2018 11:38

Sun routes from Shannon appear to be dropped for Summer 19. Dub/BHD/CORK schedules all loaded.

brian_dromey 17th Sep 2018 13:55


Originally Posted by Northoltway (Post 10250932)
Malaga and Faro dropped for Summer 19 it appears

I don't thînk that is a sure thing just yet. The previous W patterns from ORK won't be operated, but its not impossible that an additional A320 may be based at SNN, they will be operated by a wet-lease, or that 757/321LRs may be sent to AGP and FAO between turns.

fivejuliet 17th Sep 2018 14:01


Originally Posted by Northoltway (Post 10251053)
Sun routes from Shannon appear to be dropped for Summer 19. Dub/BHD/CORK schedules all loaded.

Same thing happened last year. SNN appeared later.

They have SNN-ACE dates loaded but marked as sold out so wonder if there's an additional unit.


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