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GavinC 15th Jul 2018 22:56


Originally Posted by RAS_2001 (Post 10197186)
With the expansion underway i'm sure MAN will be able to handle at least 15 long haul aircraft at once. I would also like to see PVG be available as a direct service are one point in the near future, but we will have to wait and see how things pan out. I would suspect that the four piers would be equally spaced out with an adequate number of gates for each pier. I would imagine at least 10-12 per pier.

i make the number of contact gates to be 11, 7 and 8 respectively on piers 1,2,3 at the new T2 although I'm sure that's subject to change

RAS_2001 16th Jul 2018 05:22

I think we should see Air China commence PVG sometime within the next year, I am not 100% certain however if it does I will be one of the travellers to utilise that direct route on a regular basis.

pholling 16th Jul 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by LFC22 (Post 10196654)
Just recently passed in and out of security at T2, what a refreshing change and a genuinely pleasant experience. Flying out, I was in security for no more than five minutes and the staff were surprisingly cheery and helpful. Inbound today from Doha, the queue did look quite long but it was fast moving as all the passport barriers were open. It was actually quicker than Changi security. Hats off to T2....

It might be just my timing, but my T2 experiences are almost always light-years better than T1 and T3. I typically get through T2 security with nearly no fuss in about 5 mins. T3 is all over the map and T1 is typically a disaster of moving security areas and rude staff. Of course my T1 oversized bag drop-off 2-weeks ago made security seem sensible. The fact is that T2 is the most undersubscribed terminal from a passenger throughput point of view. Given that it has significant stand availability issues right now, I can see them using it more as the TP components come online, even before the main terminal extension is complete.

pholling 16th Jul 2018 12:59


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 10195971)
The costs of the service are negotiated between the airport and the PRM provider. The airport then divides the total cost by the number of passengers it expects to come through its doors and levies a per passenger fee. It is normally ringfenced from the normal commercial negotiations between airports and airlines as to what the airline pays to use the airport. The airline influence over the PRM element of costs is probably the lowest of any component of the fees and charges paid by any airline at any airport. The Manchester PRM charge per departing passenger is already towards the upper end of the scale for major airports (although not the highest). It doesn't seem to correlate to the service being provided also being at the upper end of the scale. Either way, the ball is firmly in the airport's court to fix it.

If they are charing more than everyone else, or where before the middle of last year, which is the period the CAA report covers, then you are very much correct. In fact it would seem that have gotten their PRM sub-contract really wrong, given the wait time issues. On standards, why doesn't the CAA publish the waiting standards or measures for the different airports. It would seem that this would be very useful.

LAX_LHR 16th Jul 2018 15:57

Icelandair will increase flights next summer. Instead of the usual drop to 5 weekly in the summer, daily flights will be maintained.

Remains B757 so a nice little increase.

CabinCrewe 16th Jul 2018 17:46

as summer KEF hugely connecting, doesnt that just steal pax from other Westbound routes?

Suzeman 17th Jul 2018 21:05


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10198227)
as summer KEF hugely connecting, doesnt that just steal pax from other Westbound routes?

Probably a bit of that but on the other hand stimulating the market.

Anyway, the security queues were in the headlines of the MEN again this morning
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elays-14916738

Meanwhile here is a summation of the woes at the airport at present
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rport-14914947

All this negative publicity can't be doing the place any good.

sherburn2LA 17th Jul 2018 22:56

Strikes would cause 'considerable disruption'. How could you tell ?

Flightlevel001 17th Jul 2018 23:02

When are MAG going to realise that all of this chaos is down to its own failing management? Security has been ‘an absolute joke’ for some time now and initially I had assumed the whole shambolic experience was down to the front line staff members making everyone’s lives a misery. But what’s becoming clear is that this is mainly down to their bats being broken by their bosses. Aging equipment breaking down, and more and more pressure being ratcheted up against them, is there any wonder why there are staff shortages? I’d get another job too...

The latest revenue generating scheme to ‘pay, kiss and fly’ has caused complete chaos that was totally self inflicted.

The staff car park is too far to walk from and the traffic around the area is so strangled that the busses are infrequent and late; regardless if you can get in or out of the place yourself.

Every excuse thats been used in response isn’t to admit their own failings, rather to blame everything else and to trumpet the new (and hopefully improved) Terminal Redevelopment. Which, by the way they had a wonderful opportunity to create an attractive world class building which appears to be starting to resemble dreary grey box complete with an equally aw-inspiring multi-storey carpark-which I’m sure will be very lucrative!

I want to love the place, but these problems simply don’t exist elsewhere to the same extent.

But, hey, it’s expanding, so at least that’s something I suppose. Whether they can cope with it or not.

GSM763 18th Jul 2018 12:35

A lot of what's going on at the moment reminds me of BAA Heathrow circa 2005/6 'Terminal 5 is coming, that will fix everything, therefore it's fine for things to be awful at the moment'. It was only when T5 opened, fell over and there was a management clearout that things actually started to improve.

Mr A Tis 18th Jul 2018 15:07

Certainly time some heads rolled. The passengers, the airlines, the CAA & The Dept for Transport - none of them are happy with Manchester Airport at the moment. The only people smiling are the shareholders who have just been paid record dividends. Given that the security screening declared waiting time is 15 minutes- then passengers should be refunded their £5.73 passenger security charge if the airport fails to meet their own target., as you would for a delayed train etc. To get away Scott free charging £11.44pp airport facility fee and a £5.73pp security fee without delivering an acceptable service level needs to end. Time the regulator imposed some penalties- otherwise it's water off a ducks back. Only when the shareholders are affected will anything change.

andyhargreaves 18th Jul 2018 16:27


Originally Posted by Suzeman (Post 10199095)
Probably a bit of that but on the other hand stimulating the market.

Anyway, the security queues were in the headlines of the MEN again this morning
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elays-14916738

Meanwhile here is a summation of the woes at the airport at present
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rport-14914947

All this negative publicity can't be doing the place any good.

They’re also getting a lot of unfair negative publicity as a result of cowboy third-party car parking companies losing pax cars or leaving them strewn around local streets to get smashed up or vandalised. Doesn’t help that these cowboys can get away with calling themselves “Manchester Airport Meet and Greet Parking” etc. without actually being affiliated with MAN.

Don’t get me wrong, there are loads of issues and some of the bad publicity is justified. But a lot isn’t, and the MEN seem to have it in for MAN.

Mr A Tis 18th Jul 2018 17:31

Not from the MEN but the Daily Express, cars vandalised for the second time...https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99...-park-security. Not parked in cowboy parks but MAG's multi storeys.

Trav a la 19th Jul 2018 14:29

I’m told by people who were there that T3 security area was in a mess this am. Some passengers missed their flights due to having to queue up for 2 hours which caused some swearing and shouting at security officers.

Unless they get on top of this quickly the next two months could be hell.

UnderASouthernSky 19th Jul 2018 15:56


Originally Posted by Flightlevel001 (Post 10199171)


The latest revenue generating scheme to ‘pay, kiss and fly’ has caused complete chaos that was totally self inflicted.


What chaos has it caused?

techair 19th Jul 2018 18:20

UASS from what I've witnessed on a daily basis, it's the usual cheap skate attitude with punters not wanting to pay to drop and stopping just about anywhere, which then has a knock on effect to traffic flows and causing car parks staff extra headaches. Additionally over 10 years since the present security enhancements were brought in I would expect travellers by now to know what they should be doing to speed the queue nad get through security quicker.
Im not saying that all is rosy in the garden with MAN as it is far from it, but from what I see, this time next year things will be far better than at the moment, with huge multi storey car parks in construction, massive overhauls/ upgrades to many of the airport infrastructures (gas, electric, comms, fuel etc) MAN TP progressing and SEMMS getting towards an opening date, these projects alone will make a very big difference.
One last point, I think that too many managers who actually know what they are doing in running an airport have been seconded to MAN TP, leaving an operational experience imbalance across the whole business. Once some of the secondments have concluded, the experienced staff will be back to their regular duties hopefully putting things back in place.

ZOOKER 19th Jul 2018 21:56

techair, what exactly do you mean by SEMMS getting towards an opening date?

Also, assuming no BREXIT/World economic calamatitties, next year, there will doubtless be more passengers/customers/punters. These will be arriving/departing on all the new services enthusiastically trumpeted on here by LAX-LHR and his chums.

That means more cars, in addition to those which will pitch-up on Ringway Road West when the A6MARR opens.

It's nothing to do with the cheap-skate attitude of punters not wanting to pay to drop off. Why on Earth should they have to? You can park at The Trafford Centre, Cheadle Royal and Handforth Dean for hours on end without paying a penny.

The only folk who would wish to say at EGCC for hours on end, (apart from the staff), are aircraft enthusiasts, such as LAX-LHR, and his chums.

LAX_LHR 19th Jul 2018 22:12

Zooker.

i have you on ignore but been shown the post via another member and it has been reported. Your bullying tirade is becoming nothing short of childish, tiresome and pathetic. Funny how anonymity makes people braver, bet you wouldn’t say boo to a goose in reality.


ZOOKER 19th Jul 2018 22:35

Not bullying at all LAX. Very sad to learn you feel that way. Having spent most of my working life in aviation, I found a sense of humour, and a resilience to having fun poked at you, to be essential requirements, 'in the field'.

I'll buy you a beer sometime.

chaps1954 19th Jul 2018 22:58

Zooker
The thing is you have to pay at most airports now to drop off or pick up passengers, I don`t agree with it but if the likes of airlines didn`t demand cuts on all service provided by the airport
we wouldn`t have this situation of having to pay for everything
All everybody thinks of now is price and once its down it is very difficult to get back up, I know as I work in retail and could see what was going to happen after the crash post 2008
and it`s hurting a lot


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