Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas
(Post 10069064)
At most major European airports the de-ice process is seamless. You taxi out and near the runway holding point normally 2 de-ice rigs are waiting to de-ice whilst you keep engines running. Maximises hold over times with you then ready for an immediate departure. Wouldn’t be too much effort by MAN to sort something similar, even Madrid has this process and it’s rarely used. Just such a waste of time/resource when the de-ice rigs have to drive around the airport from aircraft to aircraft, with the rig operator mountain/dismounting the boom box.
One thing that could help will be once the new T2 is fully operational and T1 is pulled down. That could give some centrally located space to use. |
Don’t we have this same discussions about winter ops year after year?
It’s like we discuss the same thing again and again but expect a different outcome. |
Don’t we have this same discussions about winter ops year after year? It’s like we discuss the same thing again and again but expect a different outcome. And particularly in view of the extreme conditions that are being encountered at present, I think the Airport has done very well. Aircraft are getting away,albeit with some delay. But just look at LHR last night and you will see that many departures were delayed by 1 hour plus - in some cases several hours - and no doubt some of this was down to de-icing. In addition the manoeuvring area has been kept mostly operational throughout apart from short closures. So well done to all those who have been involved. |
Can confirm that there were delays of over one hour de-icing at LHR yesterday afternoon, and it was not solely the aircraft that were not coping with the cold.
Departure from gate 143 at Manchester delayed the 12.25 to LHR by almost one hour as the airbridge failed in the cold and boarding had to be front and rear steps.... then arriving at LHR, we were kept on the aircraft for over 30 minutes due to airbridge failure there at gate 7, apparently caused by snow on the sensors. Eventually disembarked by rear door with the first officer and cabin crew donning high vis jackets to steward the passengers into the terminal. My subsequent 3.30pm departure to MAD was then delayed until 4.45pm as the aircraft was delayed elsewhere in Europe, and as the substitute aircraft had been on stand all day, it needed de-icing above and below the wings which took almost one hour with an eventual departure from the gate just after 6.20pm |
Manchester Statistics - January 2018 (Part 1)
Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown. Lyon (Bron) appears for the first time, with 77 passengers One domestic statistic are currently missing from the CAA report for January. Belfast City and Inverness are yet to provide figures Total passengers for this route in January 2017 were 24,450 Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics Monthly passengers - 1,664,623-0.05 Annual Total - 1,664,623 Moving Annual Total - 27,790,176 + 7.45 Monthly Movements - 13,538 -2.88% Annual Movements - 13,538 Moving Annual Movements - 203,229 + 4.62% Manchester Statistics -January 2018 (Part 2) Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers DUBAI................................................ 88,650 AMSTERDAM..................................... 81,402 DUBLIN.............................................. 78,561 TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 56,290 HEATHROW....................................... 54,567 PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 47,618 ABU DHABI......................................... 39,108 FRANKFURT....................................... 37,481 ALICANTE........................................... 34,758 GENEVA............................................. 32,084 ARRICIFE............................................ 30,431 DOHA................................................. 27,765 KEFLAVIK............................................ 26,167 BERLIN (SCHONEFELD)....................... 24,636 MUNICH............................................. 24,496 COPENHAGEN.................................... 24,140 LAS PALMAS....................................... 22,996 MALAGA............................................ 22,406 BRIDGETOWN.................................... 21,025 BELFAST INTERNATIONAL.................. 19,981 ISTANBUL............................................ 19,463 FUERTAVENTURA............................... 18,648 BRUSSELS........................................... 18,152 ISLAMABAD........................................ 17,686 BARCELONA....................................... 17,524 CAA statistics for January are provisional. Manchester Statistics - January 2018 (Part 3) Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase. Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change COLOGNE.......................................... 11,308........... 11,308.................... 0.................. 230.74 AGADIR................................................ 7,239............. 7,239................... 0................... 123.15 ENONTEKIO............................................. 185.................... 0............... 185.................. 88.776 ST LUCIA.............................................. 2,193............. 2,193.................... 0.................. 87.116 TORONTO............................................ 3,793............. 3,793.................... 0.................. 65.128 ANTALYA.............................................. 4,373............. 4,113............... 260.................. 61,783 BANJUL................................................. 5,569............. 5,596................... 0................. 52,367 CHAMBERY.......................................... 6,875................ 971............. 5,904.................. 45.229 GOA.................................................... 13,793........... 10,390............. 3,403................. 36.578 FRANKFURT........................................ 37,481........... 37,481.................... 0................. 36.528 NEW YORK (JFK)................................. 13,875........... 13,875.................... 0................. 36.096 ISTANBUL........................................... 19,463........... 19,463.................... 0................. 35.953 HOUSTON............................................. 4,541............ 4,541.................... 0.................. 33.402 HONG KONG...................................... 15,599........... 15,599.................... 0.................. 31.526 PISA...................................................... 2,482............. 2,482.................... 0................. 29.88 HELSINKI............................................. 10,327.......... 10,327..................... 0................. 27.636 PRAGUE.............................................. 15,795.......... 15,795..................... 0................. 26.209 NANTES................................................... 272................ 272.................... 0.................. 23.077 CARCASSONNE...................................... 3,471........... 3,471..................... 0.................. 23,041 SALZBURG............................................. 7,372........... 4,461............... 2,911................. 22.276 BILLUND................................................ 2,456........... 2,456..................... 0.................. 20.807 CATANIA............................................... 2,524............ 2,524..................... 0.................. 20.248 MALTA................................................ 12,346........... 10,678.............. 1,668................. 19.887 HURGHADA.......................................... 9,904............. 9,904.................... 0.................. 19.885 BRUSSELS............................................ 18,152........... 18,152................... 0.................. 19.752 CAA statistics for January are provisional. Manchester Statistics - January 2018 (Part 4) Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic. Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2017……..Total Pax 2018……% change VIENNA………………….. 5,099……….…………….. 5,268……………….. +3.3144 BRUSSELS……………… 15,158……………………. 18,152……………….. +19.752 BEIJING………………….. 8,051………………….….. 5,414.………………. -32.75 PRAGUE………………… 12,515……………………. 15,795…….…………. +26.209 COPENHAGEN………. 23,421……………………. 24,140……………….. +3.0699 HELSINKI………………... 8,091…………….…….. 10,327………………… +27.636 PARIS (CDG)………….. 48,024…………………… 47,618……………..... -0.845 DUSSELDORF………… 17,324………..…………. 17,016……..………… -1.778 FRANKFURT MAIN… 27,453……………………. 37,481….…………… +36.528 MUNICH……………….. 25,433..…………………. 24,496………………. -3.684 HONG KONG……….… 11,860….………………… 15,599.……….……. +31.526 KEFLAVIK……………….. 22,430……………….….. 26,167….………….. +16.661 DUBLIN………………….. 81,019………………….. 78,561………..…….. +3.034 MILAN (MALPENSA).. 10,179……………………. 8,752……………….. -14.02 ROME (FIUMICINO)….. 5,021..…………………. 5,024……………….. +0.0597 AMSTERDAM………….. 80,813………….…….. 81,402.…………….... +0.7288 ISLAMABAD……………. 20,326..……………..… 17,686….……………. -12.99 LISBON…………………… 15,495………………….. 13,741………..…….. -11.32 DOHA…………………….. 30,760…………………… 27,765…………..….. -9.737 JEDDAH…………………... 8,538…………………….. 9,142………………. +7.0743 SINGAPORE……………… 6,702…………………….. 7,187……………….. +7.2366 MADRID…………………. 13,383………………….. 11,126…..…………... -16.86 STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 10,373………………….. 11,703..………………. -11.36 GENEVA…………………. 31,580………………….. 32,084….………....... +1.5959 ZURICH………………….. 12,346………………….. 11,561.. ………………. -6.358 ABU DHABI…………….. 36,574……………….…. 39,108…..…………... +6.9284 DUBAI…………………….. 90,003.…………………. 88,650………………... -1.503 ATLANTA………………… 10,801…….……………... 5,808…………………. -46.23 CHICAGO…..…………….. 2,407…………………….. 2,467..………………. +2.4927 HOUSTON………………… 3,404 ……………………. 4,451…………………. +33.402 NEW YORK (JFK)……… 10,195…………………… 13,875…………..……. +36.096 NEW YORK (NEWARK) 9,461……………………. 9,178..………………. -2.991 PHILADELPHIA………… 10,604…………………… 10,102……..…………. -4.734 HEATHROW……………. 55,455…………………… 54,567……….………….-1.601 CAA statistics for January are provisional. Manchester Statistics - January 2018 (Part 5) Comparison of top 25 destinations - January 2008 versus January 2018 Foreign airport...........................January-08...........January-18 HEATHROW....................................... 74,611..................... 54,567 TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............ 62,908...................... 56,290 DUBLIN.............................................. 54,789..................... 78,561 DUBAI................................................ 46,746..................... 88,650 AMSTERDAM..................................... 38,372..................... 81,402 PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............ 34,867...................... 47,618 ARRECIFE........................................... 33,408...................... 30,431 ALICANTE.......................................... 33,348...................... 34,758 MALAGA............................................ 31,473...................... 22,408 GATWICK........................................... 30,654...................... 99 FRANKFURT....................................... 28,454...................... 37,481 SHARM EL SHEIK................................ 25,565...................... 0 ORLANDO.......................................... 24,035...................... 17,288 LAS PALMAS...................................... 19,532....................... 22,996 EDINBURGH....................................... 18,937...................... 8,891 BELFAST CITY..................................... 18,912...................... TBA GENEVA............................................. 18,575...................... 32,084 CHICAGO (O'HARE)............................ 17,983...................... 2,467 ISLAMABAD........................................ 17,967..................... 17,686 NEW YORK (NEWARK)....................... 17,032...................... 9,178 PAPHOS............................................. 16,828....................... 11,226 FUERTEVENTURA.............................. 16,518....................... 18,648 SINGAPORE........................................ 16,216...................... 7,187 GOA.................................................... 15,727..................... 13,793 BRIDGETOWN.................................... 15,429...................... 21,025 CAA statistics for January are provisional. Manchester Statistics - January 2018 (Part 6) Major changes to Domestic traffic Edinburgh - 8,891 +17.528% Exeter- 9,761 +18.043% Glasgow - 3,777 +16.863% Heathrow- 54,567 -1.601% Isle of Man - 12,547 +16.945% Newquay - 4,557 +17.358% Norwich - 1,660 -17.25% Southampton - 16,747 +18.773% CAA statistics for January are provisional |
Remote deicing has been asked for by airlines, the answer has always been NO. To do with no suitable location with drainage.
When the snow threat level reaches a set level, the airport takes control of ALL handling agents that supply deicing and they put everybody in a queue based on your CTOT. Why they don't vacate a/c off of contact stands that are awaiting deicing, causing a delay to the next a/c waiting for that stand is beyond me. It seems there is no thought or common sense involved when the airport (allegedly) control the deicing of aircraft. For instance today the CX216 STD 1130, left at 1300 and was still waiting to be deiced, it waited that long the snow had melted! It also waited for a TUI to be deiced before towing back onto stand, for an hour. |
the airport takes control of ALL handling agents that supply deicing and they put everybody in a queue based on your CTOT. |
The96er
I have a colleague currently belatedly in India who would beg to differ at your comment, after the issues earlier in the week. I am with the "Double Deckers" as you say again on Sunday, so will let you know if we get preferential treatment if weather remains the same, and assuming driver can get here ! Kind regards Mr Mac - in the cooler ! |
The new Thomas Cook flights to Montego Bay times:
MT2872 MAN 1055 MBJ 1505 MT2873 MBJ 1705 MAN 0810+1 Monday’s from 6th May 2019. |
Manchester has 3 London City diverts.
TXL-LCY, FRA-LCY and ORY-LCY. EDI-LCY is likely to be joining these 3. |
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 10070442)
Manchester has 3 London City diverts.
TXL-LCY, FRA-LCY and ORY-LCY. EDI-LCY is likely to be joining these 3. |
I was under the impression all 3 came to MAN.
FRA-LCY is recorded as landing at MAN 13:09, but I didn’t catch the reg (I think I saw it was G-LCYS?) LCYY was on the TXL and LCYM on the ORY. |
Yes, someone else has said 3 did divert to MAN, so my apologies. Finding earlier flight arrivals on the new MAN web site page doesn't seem so straightforward but the old style page showed 2. However, that wasn't always accurate.
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MAN now taken an RAF C17 (BZZ) and Flybe Dash 8 (BHX) diverts.
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And another LCY divert in the form of IBZ-LCY G-LCYR.
Been a while since we have had this many LCY diverts. |
Another handful of diverts.
One each from Ryanair, Easyjet, Lufthansa and Jet2 and 2 from flybe. All BHX diverts. |
And divert number 16/17 today is EK37 the BHX A380.
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To continue the diversion theme, BHX's UAE 380 looks like it is coming to MAN too.
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And more diverts.
Germania from BHX, Cityflyer from LCY and an Easyjet from SEN. |
And one more will be Thomas Cook operating TFS-BHX.
Can’t be much more room left at MAN now so I’d be surprised if the squeezed any more in. The recently diverted Germania is being parked in the engine test Bay. |
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